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Talke betweene Fecknam and Hawkes.* 1.1

THe next day came Fecknam vnto me and said: are ye he that will haue no ceremonies?

Haukes.

What meane you by that?

Fecknam.

Ye will not haue your childe christened, but in English, and you will haue no ceremonies.

Haukes.

What soeuer the scripture cōmaundeth to be done I refuse not.

Fecknam.

Ceremonies are to be vsed by the scriptures.* 1.2

Haukes.

Which be those?

Fecknam.

How say you by Paules breeches?

Haukes.

I haue read no such thing.

Fecknam.

Haue yee not read in the Actes of the Apostles, how thinges went from Paules body, and they receaued health thereby?

Haukes.

I haue read in the xix. of the Acts, how there went partlets and napkins from Paules bodye. Is it that that ye meane?* 1.3

Feck.

Yea the same is it: what say you to those ceremonies?

Haukes.

I say nothing to y^e ceremonies. For the text sayth,* 1.4 that God did so worke by the handes of Paule, that there went partlets & napkins frō him. &c. So that it seemed by y^e text, that it was God that wrought & not y^e ceremonies.

Feck.

How say ye to the woman that came behinde Christ and touched the hemme of his vesture? did not her disease depart from her by that ceremony?

Haukes.

No forsooth: For Christ turned back and sayde to Peter: Who is it that touched me? and Peter sayd: Thou seest the people thrust thee: and askest thou who touched me? Some body hath touched me (sayth Christ) for vertue hath gone out of me. I praye you, whether was it the vertue that healed this woman, or his vesture?

Fecknam.

Both.

Haukes,

Then is not Christ true: for he sayd, Go thy waye,* 1.5 thy fayth hath made thee whole.

Boner.

Away, away to the sacrament, for these are but tri∣fles to that.

Fecknam.

How say ye Syrha: Christ tooke bread, & brake it, and sayd: Take, eate, this is my body?

Haukes.

I graunt Christ sayd so.

Fecknam.

And is it not so?

Haukes.

No forsooth, I do not vnderstand it so.

Fecknam.

Why, then is Christ a lyer?

Haukes.

I thinke ye will so proue him.

Fecknam.

Will I? why,* 1.6 I haue spoken the woordes that Christ spake.

Haukes.

Is euery worde to be vnderstand as Christ spake it? Christ said: I am a dore, a vyne, I am a king, a way. &c.

Feck.

Christ spake these wordes in parables.

Hau.

And why speaketh he this in parables, when hee sayd: I am a dore a vyne, a king, a way, &c. more then thys

when he sayd: This is my body? For after the same phrase of speache, as hee sayth: This is my body: so sayth hee: I am a doore, a vine, a king, a way, he sayth not I am like a dore, lyke a vyne. &c.

Then Fecknam stoode vp and sayd: I had such a one before me this other day. Alas, these places serue nothyng for your purposes. But I perceiue ye hang and build on them that be at Oxford.

Haukes.

What meane you by that?

Fecknam.

I meane Latymer, Cranmer, and Rydley.

Haukes.

I know nothyng els by thē, but that they be both godly and learned.

Fecknam.

* 1.7wilt thou trust to such doltes? One of them hath written a booke, wherein he affirmeth a reall presence in the Sacrament.

Haukes.

What hee hath done, I know not, but what hee doth I know.

Fecknam.

Ridley hath preached at Paules Crosse openly, that the deuill beleueth better then you: for he beleueth that Christ is able of stones to make bread, and ye will not be∣leue that Christes body is in the Sacrament, and yet thou buildest thy fayth vpon them.

Haukes.

* 1.8I build my fayth vppon no man, and that shall ye well know: for if those men, and as many mo as they bee, should recant, and deny that they haue sayde or done, yet will I stand to it, and by this shall ye knowe that I build my fayth vpon no man.

Boner.

If any of those recant, what will ye say to it?

Haukes.

When they recant, I will make you aunswere.

Boner.

Then thou wilt say as thou doest now for all that.

Haukes.

Yea in deede wil I, & that trust to it, by gods grace

Boner.

* 1.9I dare say Cranmer would recant, so that he might haue his liuyng. And so the Byshop and Fecknam depar∣ted from me with great laughing, & I went agayne to the Porters lodge.

Notes

• * 1.1

  The next dayes talke with Feck∣nam.
• * 1.2

  Fecknams reasō lyeth in Paules Breches.
• * 1.3

  Actes. 19.
• * 1.4

  Fecknam ma∣keth euery act spoken of in the new Testament to be a ceremo∣ny.

  Marke. 5. Luke. 8. Fecknam taken shorte in his owne tale. Fecknam driuē in a straite, dri∣ueth him to the
• * 1.5

  Sacrament. It is his sacra∣mentall body, or the Sacramēt of his body, but not his true bo∣dy.
• * 1.6

  The wordes of Christ are to be vnderstand, not as he spake, but as he ment thē.
• * 1.7

  Fecknam falleth out of his mat∣ter to rayling.
• * 1.8

  Tho. Haukes buildeth his fayth vpon no man.
• * 1.9

  B. Boner iudg∣eth other men by his own sore.