Secondly, by their grant in this passage that Gods people may
thus assemble and practice ordinances without and against the con∣sent
of the Magistrate. I••infer, then also may they become a Church,
constitute and gather without or against the consent of the Magi∣strate:
Therefore may the Messengers of Christ, preach and baptise,
that is, make disciples and wash them into the true profession of Chri∣stianity
according to the commission, though the Magistrate deter∣mine
and publikly declare, such Ministers, such baptismes, such Chur∣ches
to be hereticall.
Thirdly, it may here be questioned what power is now given
to the Civill Magistrate in Church matters and Spirituall affairs?
If it be answered that although Gods people may doe thus against
the Magistrates consent, yet others may not.
I answer (as before) who sees not herein partiality to themselves:
Gods people must enjoy their Liberty of Conscience, and not be for∣ced;
but all the Subjects in a Kingdome or Monarchie, or the whole
world beside, must be compelled by the power of the Civill Sword
to assemble thus and thus.
Secondly, I demand who shall judge whether they are Gods
people or no, for they say whether the Magistrate consent or consent
not, that is judge so or not, they ought to goe on in the Ordinances
renuente Magistratu?
How agrees this with their former and generall assertion, that
the Civill Magistrate must set up the Christian Church and Worship,
therefore by their owne grant he must judge the godly themselves,
he must discerne who are fit matter for the House of God, living
stones, and what unfit matter, trash and rubbish?
Those worthy men, the Authours of these positions, and others of
their judgement have cause to examine their soules with feare and
trembling in the presence of God upon this intergatory, viz. whether
or no this be not the bottome and root of the matter: If they could
have the same supply of maintenance without the helpe of the Ci∣vill
Sword, or were perswaded to live upon the voluntary contribu∣tion
of poore Saints, or their owne labour, as the Lord Iesus and his
first Messengers did: I say, if this lay not in the bottom, whether or
no they could not be willingly shut of the Civill power, and left on∣ly
to their inoffensive liberties?
I could also put a sad Quaerie to the consciences of some, viz. what
should be the reason why in their native Country where the Magi∣strate