Reason against railing, and truth against fiction being an answer to those two late pamphlets intituled A dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, and the Continuation of the dialogue &c. by one Thomas Hicks, an Anabaptist teacher : by W. Penn.

A Collection of a Few of his Many GREAT LYES.

Arg. III. He that Lyes is not of God; but Thomas Hicks is a Lyar; therefore not of God, then no Christian.

1. First, That our owning of Christ Jesus is indeed no other then A MEER MYSTICAL RO∣MANCE, and that the Christ we own is no other then a MYSTICAL ROMANCE, Dial. p. 10. Contin. p. 9. A Prophane Untruth; Ʋntruth, in speaking so of us; and Prophane with a witness, to call the Light a Mystical Romance, which he just now said, ought to be obeyed. Is this your Champion?

2. That according to the Quakers Conceits, Scripture and Reason must not be made use of, Ibid. p. 26. A Lye our Books and Practice plentifully prove.

3. That the Light in us sees no Necessity of a Mediator, Ibid. p. 35. When God knows we feel the daily Be∣nefit of one.

4. That the Quakers account the Blood of Jesus Christ no more then they do the Blood of a COMMON THIEF. Ibid. p. 38. An Ungodly Aspersion.

5. That we deny his Visible Coming and Appearance in the World, Cont. p. 37, 45. Though a Contradicti∣on to himself.

6. That the Quakers hold, they can work a Compleat

Righteousness OUT OF THEIR OWN BOWELS, Ibid. Epist. & p. 53. Dial. p. 38. and yet a while since, all was to be done by the Moti∣on and Operation of God's Spirit alone. O Con∣fusion it self!

7. They own Christ in all he did, ONLY as an Ex∣ample, Contin. p. 54. yet just now he made us deny his Coming at all. What strange Lying and Self-Contradicting is here?

8. That the Quakers Dissemble when they tell People they own the Scriptures, and that they render them of no more Authority then ESOPS FABLES, Cont. Epist. That a Quaker should say, That which troubles thee is thy PUZLING thy self so much in that BOOK THE BIBLE, thou wilt never be setled till thou throw that Book AWAY, Cont. p. 76. A Wicked Lye. Also, That a Quaker should sa•• to one T. Holl∣brow, What dost thou tell me of the Scriptures? they are no more to me then an old Almanack Which we renounce both as being a Lye, and an Irreverent Expression. For J. Nobbs on whom it is charged, was a Ranter; and if I mistake not, it was spoken before the People Quakers were known in the Southern Parts, if not before God's Breaking forth by them.

9. That any thing against our Ministry (though never so true) must be looked upon as the greatest Lye, Ibid. Epist. But this is one to be sure; God will clear their Innocency, and confound their bitter Enemies.

10. That Nicholas Lucas said to one of T. Hicks's Acquaintance, that he might burn the Bible, and serve God as well without; and that he might write as good Scripture himself, if he would have any, Ibid. pag. 5. A Lye, he disowns, and in the Appendix may be seen.

11. That they appoint their Ministers afore-hand, to speak in such a Place, and at such a Time; and that they go to Meetings only to encourage (that is, to decoy, tra∣pan and inveagle) others, Ibid. p. 66. Very Lyes, I testifie in God's Fear.

12. That the Quakers bid People follow the Light within, and if they do so, then will they load such with most bitter Revilings, Ibid. p. 68. A Lye, every title of it. What? Are they represented to be Overturners of all things to exalt the Light within, and now revile People most bitterly if they obey it?

13. That one of us should bid her Husband take another Woman▪ Ibid. p. 63. We charge upon him for a Slander.

14. That Motions of God's Spirit are pretended by Quakers, at least one of them, to refuse Just Debts, and that they may do so by their Principles, Ibid. p. 69. is also a Story hatcht in Hell.

15. That scarce a Man that reads W. Penn, but thinks him to be either DISTRACTED OR WORSE, Cont. p. 87.

16. That such as ask us Questions we call Reprobates, in the Sorcery, Witchcraft, polluted Beasts, Serpents, Sots, &c. Ibid. p. 86.

17. That one of us should say, if one that had writ a∣gainst us, that if he writ any more against us, that we would Print any thing against him, that any would report, BE IT WHAT IT WOULD. Dial. p. 73.

18. If any Discourse with us, 'tis the Man, and not the Argument that we will be concerned with. And if we can fix anything that is Odious, it shall pass for an Answer, and a Confutation; And to fill up their Wickedness they will in their solemn Way of Prophaness and Blasphemy, bless God that they have thus answered.

But who has most medled with Persons may be seen, who unprovokedly has taken into Twelve Sheets about 20 Persons, and all of them such as have been wholely unconcerned with him, and are Stran∣gers to him; a Way I never took. How far we medle with our Adversaries Strength, our Books will best declare. Nor are his Dialogues with me less then a most undeniable Demonstration of the highest For∣gery, Partiality, Cowardliness and Impudence that ever was given by Man, who falls upon our Conclusions, and never concerns himself in our Premises: A Principle obtained through many Arguments, he can tell how to crop, clip, pervert and disguise, and then call it ours; But to engage an Argument that leads to it, as by us defended, it is not in him so much as to adventure; His Forgeries have been his Answers; And our Princi∣ples abused, he thought Confutation enough to themselves. When he has given an Error for a Quaker's Princi∣ple, truly all may believe it, if they will for him, he has offered in no place but little to the contrary, and in most places nothing at all.

How Honestly or Worthily he has dealt with us is further evident, who brings in five of us, Fox, Dews∣bury, Crisp, Whitehead, Penn, under the Suspicion of being Wilful Lyars, Fornicators and Adulterers: For though he sayes but some of them; yet not Naming Who, the Blemish lies against us all, every one being left to his Liberty to think, which are the Men.

Ah! the God of Vengeance will repay this Mur∣dering, Wicked Spirit, that as greedily Haunts after our Ruin, as the Evening Wolf doth after the Prey. If these Defamations are to pass unjudged of the

Anabaptists, God's despised Light will judge them, when all their Profession shall never relieve them from under Burden of it.

Thus far of Contradictions, Perversions and Lyes. Now for a few of his Forgeries.