A discourse concerning the pretended religious assembling in private conventicles wherein the unlawfullness and unreasonableness of it is fully evinced by several arguments / by John Norris ...
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A discourse concerning the pretended religious assembling in private conventicles wherein the unlawfullness and unreasonableness of it is fully evinced by several arguments / by John Norris ...
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Norris, John, 1657-1711.
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1685.
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ARGUMENT. VI.
THAT which God in his word
hath branded with a black mark,
forewarning and commanding his Peo∣ple
to avoid, cannot be his ordinance
or means of grace. For it is not God's
manner to stygmatize or disgrace his
own ordinances, or to forbid or discou∣rage
any in the use of them; but to dig∣nifie,
advance the honour, and strict∣ly
to enjoin the use of them: as knowing
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that the Devil and his instruments will
sufficiently vilifie and disgrace them,
and that there will be enough in all
ages, who will disuse and forsake them.
Yea God hath so far dignified his ordi∣nances
of the word and sacrament;
(which he intends to make use of as
means of grace) that when he might
have wrought it in mens hearts imme∣diately
by his own spirit, yet he hath
put them off to his Ministers to doe it,
which is no small honour. The case of
the Eunuch in the Acts makes this plain,
* 1.1The Spirit bad Philip join himself to
the Chariot. Yea when God himself
hath begun the work, yet he would
not perfect it himself, but hath han∣ded
it over to his Ministers, to be com∣pleted
by them. This he did at the
Conversion of St. Paul,‖ 1.2He sent
Ananias to him, who entered into the
House, and put his hands on him and said,
Brother Saul, the Lord (even Iesus
which appeared to thee in the way as
thou camest) hath sent me that thou
shouldst receive thy sight, and be filled
with the Holy Ghost. What greater
honour than this, could God have put
upon his Ordinance of the Ministry?
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But he hath set a black mark, and
brand upon the Persons and Mi∣nistry
in question, and commanded a
withdrawing from them.* 1.3Now I be∣seech
you, brethren, mark them which cause
divisions and offences contrary to the
Doctrine which ye have learned, and a∣void
them: for they that are such, serve
not the Lord Iesus, but their own bel∣lies,
and by good words and fair speeches
deceive the hearts of the simple. The
Emphasis of the Apostles words is wor∣thy
our observation. Mark them, sig∣nifying
such a diligent, wary, and cir∣cumspect
care, as Watchmen use that
stand on an high Tower to descry the
approach of an Enemie. They mark
diligently all Comers, and give notice
according as they apprehend any dan∣ger,
for the preservation of the City.
And avoid them; as dangerous Persons,
hurtfull to Christian Society. And
how sweet and fair soever their words
seem to be, yet they will‖ 1.4eat as doth
a Canker. They give not their poison,
but wrapt up in Honey. Their smooth
Language is their net, wherewith they
catch many a simple Soul, that is not
exceeding carefull lest any man should
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beguile him (as Ioab did* 1.5Amasa)
with enticing words. Their flattering
speeches and specious pretenses of Pu∣rity
and Doctrine, and tenderness of
Conscience, tend to no other, but to
deceive the simple and unwary, to get
themselves a maintenance, and to fill
their own bellies, they are like the false
Apostles in the Church of Corinth‖ 1.6who transformed themselves into the
Apostles of Christ, yet were but deceit∣full
workers, to bring that People into
bondage, to devour them, and to take of
them.
How guilty the persons in question
are, of causing Divisions amongst Peo∣ple
whereever they come, of renting
the Unity of the Church, and distur∣bing
the peace thereof; of giving of∣fence
to Rulers and Governours by
their constant and wilfull violation of
all Ecclesiastical and Civil order and
discipline, is too notoriously known by
sad experience in all places. And whe∣ther
the other Character in the text,
belongs to them, that they are 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉,
and seek not so much mens Souls
(for therein they may spare their pains
as needless, where there is a preaching
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Ministry established) as their purses.
〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉* 1.7making mer∣chandize
of the word of God; their
hearers and followers are best able to
tell, and will (I think) in a while, be
weary of it. In the mean time, we
that are Pastours of Flocks, find by
experience, in those places where these
persons intrude themselves, that the
People are ready to pull their own Mi∣nisters
bread out of their mouths, to
feed those their new Masters, live we
never so blamelesly, and take we never
so much pains amongst them, for the
good of their Souls. Yea, they hate
those their Ministers most, who best de∣serve
their love, and lay most obliga∣tions
on them. According to that of
the Philosopher,* 1.8Leve aes alienum de∣bitorem
facit, grave, inin••icum. A bad
Debtor when he owes but a small summ,
will be contented to look towards you;
but when it is great, more than he can
well pay, or, as much as he thinks he
can get, then he will be glad to be rid
of you.
Again: The Apostle foretells, that
towards the latter end of the World
(and surely those days are come upon
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us)‖ 1.9Perilous times shall come, and there
shall be many that shall creep into houses,
and lead Captive silly Women—; from
such turn away. And whom do the men
(we are speaking of) most prevail
upon, and draw after them? but easie
and unstable souls, such as have itching
Ears, always learning and never able to
come to the knowledge of the truth, well
meaning People that are spurred on
with zeal, and want judgment to hold
the reins,* 1.10 many times an over vehe∣ment
bending into some way of our
own chusing, doth not onely withdraw
us from the left hand way, the way of
Idolatry and Superstition (from which
we should all withdraw) but from the
middle way too, in which we should
all walk. And then the danger is great.
The Devil doth many times make zeal
and religion his instrument, to drive
men on to incredible extremities of im∣piety.
For, if he cannot take away
mens faith, yet he will quench their
Charity to others, even to those to
whom they owe it most.
For* 1.11 zeal,
except it be ordered aright, when it
bendeth it self to conflict with things
either indeed, or but imagined to ••e
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opposite to Religion, useth the razor
many times with such eagerness,
that the very life of Religion is there∣by
hazarded, through hatred of tares,
the corn in the field is plucked up.
So that zeal needeth both ways a
sober guide. Zeal against Poperty
(saith another learned Authour, who
conceals his name) except it be bri∣dled
by discretion, and attended by
equal pace of strength, is not the way
to protect, but to betray a cause.
Those that were lately zealous for the
good old cause, lost it; and the King
had not better friends, than his most
implacable Enemies. Fury is as bad
in a Champion, as torpour; it is an
even temperature of wisedom and va∣lour
that doeth the execution. A so∣ber
Protestant though he rageth less,
shall prevail more on a Papist, than
a mad Fanatique. The greatest part
of zeal against Popery that is found
amongst the Nonconformists, is like
that of one frantick, who wounds
himself, whilst he would strike his
foe. They cannot confute it without
condemning themselves. This un∣guided
zeal will be sure to run far e∣nough
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from Popery, and so runs in∣to
it; as he that sails round the Globe,
the farther he goes, after he is half
way, the nearer he approacheth to
the place whence he set out. The
Quakers, a considerable part of the
Nonconformists, railed at Popery,
till they began to be taken for Jesuits,
or their Disciples.
The like Stygma the Apostle St. Iude
casts upon such Persons, There are* 1.12certain men crept in unawares, &c.
〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. How disgracefully and dis∣dainfully
the Scripture seems to speak
of them, who irregularly, and con∣trary
to good order and lawfull ap∣pointment,
intrude themselves, as Tea∣chers,
into the Church, under pretence
of Religion! They‖ 1.13creep in amongst
People; they come in by stealth, as if
they came in at a Window or Back∣door,
insinuating themselves into flocks
and societies of God's People, creeping
to Conventicles; professing themselves
to be the onely Gospel-preachers, and
pure Worshippers of God, as if
all Religion were lost, except what
they bring and profess: Whereas they
are indeed (unless we will mince the
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Appellation the Holy Scripture fastens
on them) but a new sort of Creepers
gotten into the body of the Church.
From such (saith the Holy Ghost)
* 1.14turn away.
Again, St. Paul,† 1.15Now we command
you, brethren, in the name of the Lord
Iesus Christ, that ye withdraw your selves
from every brother that walketh disor∣derly,
and not according to the Traditi∣on
he hath received from us. With more
Apostolical Gravity and Authority, a
Duty cannot be urged on Christians,
than this, of withdrawing or separa∣ting
from such, as walk 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, disor∣derly.
The Metaphor (say Expositours)
is borrowed from the custome of War;
wherein every Souldier hath his proper
station and employment appointed him,
from which when he swerves, he be∣comes
〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, out of his rank. Now
in an Army, every Officer hath his
place, Company and Command assigned
him by his General, whereunto he
must keep, and from which he must
not stir. And if he should leave his
place, and take upon him, either to
make an attempt on the Enemy of his
own head, without Commission and
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Orders from his General, though with
never so good success; or Command
in another Company, than that which
is assigned and allotted to him by Au∣thority,
he is guilty of a breach of that
〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, good order and discipline that
ought to be in an Army, and brings in a
most odious and destructive disorder and
confusion: and so deserves to be either
quite cashiered, or otherwise by Martial
Law severely to be punished. Yea, so
absolutely necessary hath it been
thought, in the opinion of experienced
Souldiers, that the Laws and Orders
of Martial-discipline in an Army should
be strictly observed, that whosoever
have erred from it, though in the least
Punctilio, have been adjudged worthy
of death without mercy. Famous to
this purpose is that story we reade in
Valerius Maximus, of Manlius Torqua∣tus
Consul of the Romans in the Latin
War, who commanded his own Son to
be beheaded, for fighting the Enemy
without his Father's Privity and Com∣mand,
though he was provoked there∣unto
by Geminius Metius General of the
Tusculans, and although he had obtai∣ned
a signal Victory, and very much
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and rich spoil:* 1.16Sati••s esse judicans pa∣trem
forti silio, quam patriam militari
disciplina carere: Judging it better that
a Father should be deprived of a vali∣ant
Son, than that his Country should
want Military discipline. The Church
is by Christ twice together in one
place† 1.17 said to be an Army with banners:
he that is the Commander in chief is
God himself, holy, just and wise; not
the Authour of Confusion, but the insti∣tutour
and lover of order, and the ha∣ter
and punisher of such as wilfully
transgress such good rules of wholsome
discipline, as he, either immediately
by himself or mediately by his Depu∣ties
on earth, shall establish amongst his
People. And is Discipline so needfull
in an Army, and can it be thought
needless in the Church? Is our spiritual
warfare of less danger of concernment
than our bodily? Shall it be thought
to be a venial offence, to be commit∣ted
without danger, when a person
shall undertake to intrude himself into
the place and company of another, and
lead on, and engage a Party in the
Church militant, into ways of schism
and profaneness, in opposition to the
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way of true Religion and Worship of
God established, not onely without a∣ny
lawfull allowance, but contrary to
all Law and Discipline, both Civil and
Ecclesiastical? The baseness and wick∣edness
of such doings, is excellently
displayed by Learned Doctor Henry
More in his Apology annexed to the se∣cond
part of* 1.18his enquiry into the My∣stery
of iniquity.
Because some men
(saith he) think themselves of more
popular gifts for Prayer and Exhorta∣tion;
for these to spur out, and run
on in a Career, without attending the
direction of their Superiours, were as
if the Toy should take those Troopers
that are best horsed, to set madly a gal∣lopping,
because they find their horses
will goe so freely, and so turn the
orderly. March of the Army into a
confused Horse-race, and put them∣selves
into a rout, even without the
assault or pursuit of any Enemy.
Can it be pleasing to Christ that any
should follow such men in their irre∣gular
and hare-brain'd ways, when
his Apostle bids all men† 1.19from such to
withdraw? To what end should there
be such flocking after them, unless their
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followers could be partakers of some
spiritual benefit from them? But this
cannot be. For their disorderly walk∣ing,
and busie medling where they
have not to doe, renders all they doe
unprofitable, and is (in effect) a spen∣ding
of a great deal of pains, to no
purpose; wearying themselves out to
weave the Spiders Webb, and to sow
to the wind. The Apostle doth most
excellently express it in a most elegant
allusion of words, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉,
* 1.20working not at all, but
are busie-bodies. Their work is neither
lawfull, nor profitable. For seeing that
the Ministers of Christ are disposed of
in the Church 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉† 1.21ac∣cording
to the dispensation of God; it
doth follow, that those things which
they teach or doe, receive their force
and effect not from their own wills and
authority, but from the Authority, Ap∣probation
and Concurrence of him that
sends them. And therefore what a
Minister doeth contrary to the will of
God, cannot be of any force or effect
at all, as to the accomplishment of the
end, on mens souls, for which God or∣dained
the Ministry, for he is bound to
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preach not onely those things, but in
that manner as God hath appointed.
God's Command for a separation and
withdrawing from such dividing, house-creeping,
and disorderly Persons, must
needs argue their Ministry not to be
his ordinance, since he so brands it, and
gives such Cautions against it.
Saepè fit ut qui falsum ex una parte apparens vident, ejus fu∣giendi studio abrepti longi∣ùs, non in ve∣rum deveniant, sed in falsum alia parte po∣situm, atque ita errorem non exuunt sed mutent. Hug. Grotius, in disquisit. Pe∣lagiana. pag. 1.