A short answer to the tedious Vindication of Smectymnvvs by the avthor of the Humble remonstrance.

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A short answer to the tedious Vindication of Smectymnvvs by the avthor of the Humble remonstrance.
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Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.
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Smectymnuus. -- Vindication of Smectymnuus.
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A Short ANSWER To the Tedious VINDICATION OF SMECTYMNVVS.

SECT. I.

I Am sorry, Brethren, that your own importunitie will needs make you guil∣tie of your further shame: Had you sate down silent in the conscience of a just reproof, your blame had been by this time dead, and forgotten; but now, your impe∣tuous Defence shall let the world see, you did in vain hope to face out an ill cause with a seeming boldnesse. I may not spend Vo∣lumes upon you, but some Lines I must: enow to convince the Reader of the justice of my Charge, and the miserable insuffi∣ciencie

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ciencie of your Vindication; It is not your stiff deniall that can make it other then Gods truth, which I maintain, or that can justifie your Errors; Let the cause speak for it self, and let that great Moderator of Heaven, to whom we both appeal, judge.

It was a light touch, that I gave to your Grammaticall slip of Areopagi; wherein it would not have hurt you, to have confessed your over-sight; had you yeelded that you stumbled, though withall you say, You stum∣bled like Emperors, we could have passed it over with a smile; but now, that you will needs fall into a serious contestation, and spend almost a whole leaf in a faulty De∣fence; I must tell you, that you make this an hainous trifle: To face out wilfully the least errour, is no lesse then a crime; and such is this of yours, as every true Gramma∣rian knows: I doubt not, but you had heard of Dionysius Areopagita; but if you should have cited him under the name of Dionysius Areopagus, every Scholar would have laughed you to scorn: Had you said, The admired sons of Iustice, the Areopagus; I grant it had been good, according to that which

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you cite out of Sarisburiensis; but to say, The admired sons of Iustice, the Areopagi, no Grammar, no authoritie can bear you out; and however you face it, that you can bring precedents enow, out of approved Authors, name but one, and take all: That of Sarisburi∣ensis, which you alledge, is altogether for me, against your selves: he sayes that Senate * 1.1 of Athens was called Areopagus; so said my Mar∣gin before: But what is this to your false Latine? Brethren, this matter of Latinity is but a straw, but let me say, this willing de∣fence of a plain falshood, is a block, which your very friends cannot but stumble at; and how can the Reader choose but think, he that will wilfully stand in the defence of a known falshood in Language, will not stick to defend a known Errour in his cause? Before, ye stumbled; now, ye fall: rise up for shame in a just confession, and look better to your feet hereafter.

But belike, you have not a better facultie in stumbling, then I in leaping: and talk of huge great blocks that I have over-skipped in this whole Book: Where are they, which be they, Brethren? If such were, they are, I

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hope, still visible; shew them me, I beseech you, that I may yet trie my skill: You in∣stance in some words sounding to con∣tempt; I thought what these blocks would prove: meer matter of words, not lesse windy, then the froth of your next Para∣graph; wherein your gravitie is set upon a merrie pin; and, in a becoming jeer, tells us of the Gentleman student in Philosophy, that desires to learn the rare secret of the sinking of froth; for which, I remit you, and your deep student, to the next Tapster.

IT is not all your shuffling that can shift * 1.2 the just charge of your grosse uncharita∣blenesse; The Remonstrance comparing in a generall notion, the forms of Civil govern∣ment and Ecclesiasticall, expresses it in these Terms; [Since if Antiquitie may be the rule, the civill Polity hath sometimes varied, the Sacred, never; And if originall authoritie may carry it, that came from arbitrarie im∣posers, this from men inspired:] then which, no word can be in a right sense more safe, or more innocent: Your good glosse appropri∣ates * 1.3 what (in thesi) was spoken of all forms of

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Civil government, to our particular Monar∣chy; and tels your Reader, that I deliver it as Arbitrary, & Alterable; then which, there cānot I suppose be any sclander more dangerous; and to mend the matter now in your Vindi∣cation, you redouble your most injurious charge upon the Remonstrant, as if upon this ground, it could follow that to attempt the alteration of Monarchicall governe∣ment, had beene, in his opinion, lesse culpa∣ble then to petition the alteration of Episco∣pall; quite contrary to the expresse words of my Remonstrance; whose implication is no other then this, That, if it were capitall in them who indeavored to alter the formes of Civill government, they must needs seeme worthy of more then an easie censure, that went about in a Libellous way to worke the change of a setled government in the Church.

See, Reader, this latter is in the Remon∣strants judgement, worthy of more then an easie censure, the others accusation is no lesse then deadly: Whether now doth hee hold lesse culpable? Truly, brethren, if you be not ashamed of this unjust crimination,

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I hope some body will blush for you. With how bold a face dare you appeale to the Reader, yea to the most honourable Parlia∣ment, and to the Sacred Majesty of our Soveraigne, that you doe the man no wrong? Joyne issue then and let all these judge: First you say, one of the most confident Advocates of Episcopacy, hath said, that where a Nationall Church is setled in the orderly regiment of certaine grave Overseers, to seeke to abandon this forme, and to bring in a forraine Discipline is as unreasonable, as to cast off the yoke of just and hereditary Monarchy, and to affect many-headed Soveraignty; This you think an assertion in∣solent enough, that sets the Mitre, as high as the Crowne; But what a foule injury is this? Reader doe but view the place, and see, where the Mitre stands: The words run thus: [So were it no lesse * 1.4 unreasonable where a Natio∣nall Church is setled in the orderly regiment of certaine grave Overseers, ruling under one acknowledged Soveraign, by wholsome and unquestionable Laws, and by these Laws punishable if they over∣lash:

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&c.] Say now, Reader, whether this man sets the Mitre as high as the Crowne? Neither doth hee say, it were no lesse haynous, (for the difference of the morality is excep∣ted before) but, no lesse unreasonable: as that which is there said to argue a strange brain-sick giddinesse in either offence.

Yet more anger; The Remonstrant rises higher and sets the Mitre above the Crown? Wherein, I beseech you, brethren? What a Woolseian insolence were this? Hee tels us (you say) that Civill government came from Ar∣bitrary imposers, the Sacred from men inspired; now Civill government here includes Monarchy; therefore this is to advance Episcopacy above Mo∣narchy; since the one challenges God for the Foun∣der, the other humane arbitrement. Brethren, had your argument as much reason, as spight, it would presse sore: now, as you have framed it, it is a meere cavill. The Re∣monstrant speaks of all Civill government in generall; the severall formes whereof amongst severall nations, and people, no reasonable man can deny were introduced variously, according to the first institution of their Founders; What error can your

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sharpe eyes finde in this proposition? Now, you will needs draw this by an envious ap∣plication to Monarchy, as if I meant to de∣rive it onely from men, not from God: Ye are mistaken, brethren: they are your bet∣ter friends, that thus deduce Monarchy; For us, wee hold it is from God, by men, from God as the author & ordainer, by men, as the meanes; wee fetch it not from earth, but from heaven; wee know who said, By me Kings raigne; and from him we derive their Crownes and Scepters: But yee may know (which we have oft blusht, and sigh∣ed to see laid in our dish, by Popish Au∣thors) who it was that said; Kings, Princes and Gover∣nors * 1.5 have their authority of the people, and upon occasion they may take it away againe, as men may revoke their pro∣xies: who it was that said, It is not enough for subjects not to obey, but they must withstand wicked Princes. Sure they were no fautors of E∣piscopacy, that have written so bloody lines against the safety, and lives of lawful Princes, as I dare not transcribe; that have so underva∣lued

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their power, and so abased their ori∣ginall; small reason had you to twit me with this hatefull guilt.

It is but a poor put-off, that you censure not my words as treasonable, from my pen, which from yours had received no better construction: The words are the same, the intimation evident; and not lesse evincible, then your vilifying of the judgement of that wise, & (above all examples) learned K. Iames; whom whiles you smooth in words, and di∣rectly oppose in his well-grounded Edict, concerning the Liturgy of the Church, what do you but verbally praise, and really check? Ye cannot therefore so easily wipe off these aspersions of uncharitablenesse, by either stiffe deniall, or unjust recrimination; For me, such is my malice towards you, that I can at once convince your want of cha∣ritie, and forgive it.

IF the Religion of King William Rufus, or * 1.6 the infallible judgement of Pope Pius may do you any service, make your best of them; to me they are much alike. Whatso∣ever

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Daniel (the Poet, not the Prophet) plea∣sed to say; All Historians were not Monks, nor all Monks false-tongued; Would God all Divines were true: The actions of this Prince blazon him more, then the Histori∣ans pens; whereof some have taxed him for favour of Judaisme, others for touches of Atheisme, all for indevotion: As for the Bishops of those times, I say they were Po∣pish, and, in that notion, tyrannicall; for that dependance which they had upon him, who exalts himself above all that is called GOD, exalted them to their proud con∣testation with Princes. It was their Po∣pery therefore, that made them insolent, and their insolence, that made them odious to Kings.

It hath been (ye say) the usuall quality of former and later Bishops, to tyrannize over such as fear them, and to flatter such as they fear: Your tongues are your own; But, Brethren, if this be their qualitie, it is your fault that you will not suffer it to be their propertie: There are those that can do this, and more; can tyrannize over those whom they ought to

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reverence, and flatter those whom they should not fear.

As for your Pius; should not the Pope have been my Antichrist, I am sure he is yours; Little reason therefore could you have, to use his testimonie against your own profession. But, Why may we not (you say) use the testimony of Antichrist, against Anti∣christian Bishops? Brethren, I understand you not; I hope you have more grace, then to call ours so: If you have so much of the Sepa∣ratist in you, many good hearts will justly grieve to see that ye pretend to come forth under License; sure you dare not mean, you dare not say, that the publique Government established here by Law, is Antichristian; this were to strike where you would not; or, if you could be so bold, Authoritie might over-see, but would never allow so lawlesse an affront: If our Bishops be Anti∣christian, whence is your Ordination? Good speed may you have, Brethren, towards Amsterdam.

Full wittie, and sound is the inference which you draw from the grounds, which

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I give of the Popes unwillingnesse to yeeld a Divine Right to Bishops; for that hee would have them derive their authoritie meerly from himself: Therefore (say you) it follows, That they have no more Divine Right, then the Pope: Just; for the Pope thinks so; pretending his own (false) Right, and dis∣claiming their true.

But whats this (I ask) to our Bishops, who professe notwithstanding the Apostoli∣call, that is, Divine Right of their calling, to hold the places and exercise of their Ju∣risdiction, wholly from His Majestie: You answer, [Surely ours have begun to affect the same exemption from secular power; to make large and haughty strides, towards an independent Hierar∣chie.] Where, or wherein, Brethren? Will any Justice hold it enough to accuse? I chal∣lenge your instances, If you can finde an uni∣versall guiltinesse this way, spare us not; I shall yeeld, we cannot suffer too much: But if your exceptions be either none, (as your silence argues) or particular, why should not you smart for the unjust branding of a whole Order?

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Me thinks you should shame and feare to speake of our affected independence of Hie∣rarchy, when ye know that an independent parochiall Hierarchy (if it could be worth so high a name) is in publique Pamphlets, and open Sermons set a-foote with much ear∣nestnesse by those, who would be thought no meane ones in your fraternity; And when you cannot but know, that the Bi∣shops Bench is openly challenged in the name of too much dependence upon Sove∣raignty? Away with these idle sclanders of your innocent, grave, and modest gover∣nors. For Mr Hooker, we know you love and honour his memory, dearly, nothing of his can be unwelcome to us; neither doubt we, but that you will bee no lesse edified by his last works, if they may see the light, then with his first; That man doth not looke, as if hee meant to contradict his owne truths.

YE doubt to bee chid for this licentious∣nesse * 1.7 of your pen; and so you well may; for it can be no lesse then a foule sclan∣der

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to charge that faction upon whole Epi∣scopacy, which you dare (upon urging) im∣pute but to a few. The more (ye say) is your mi∣sery, that a few Bishops can put both the Kingdomes into so dangerous a combustion. True; But, if it be your miserie, it is not our sinne; Blame the guilty, strike not the innocent: But, if but a few can doe this (ye say) what a stir would they all make, if they should unite their powers? This is in your owne phrase argumentum galeatum; If a few factious Preachers in our neighbour Pul∣pits, since the entring of this Parliament, have kindled such a fire in the City, and Kingdome, what would they all do, if their seditious tongues were all united?

But now, ye speake to purpose; If but a few were factors for this attempt; how was it that one of the Episcopall tribe in open Court called the Scot∣tish designe, Bellum Episcopale? Who can for∣beare to smile at this doughty proofe? Why, Brethren, was that word too big for one mans mouth? Could hee not utter it with∣out help of his fellowes? Did they either say, or think it, the more, because hee spake it? What reason have you to feoffe a private

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conceit on all? especally when the words may be capable of a lesse evill construction, as referring to the Northerne rise of that quarrell, not to our prosecution.

But, where (ye say) were the rest of the peace∣able and orthodoxe Bishops the while? Truly in all likelyhood, at home, quietly, in their own Sees; in their retired studies; without notice of any plots, without any intimation of dan∣gers; much more without intermedling in any secrets of State, or close stratagems of disturbance; So as, it was not their love to peace and truth, that could oppose, what they never could reach to know: Neither is it any fault of theirs, that the deare and pre∣cious name of Episcopacie is exposed to base and vulgar obloquie. Let those who will needs poure contempt upon the guilt∣lesse, looke for a just revenge from him, who hath said, Touch not mine anointed, and doe my Prophets no harme.

Still therefore must I take leave to crie, Fie, upon those my Brethren, that dare to charge faction upon Episcopacie, and withall to de∣plore the unhappy mis-cariages of any of our

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spirituall Fathers, that shall be found guiltie of these wofull broyles. What Cyprian would have done upon occasion of so high an in∣dignitie offered by you to that holy function, appeares sufficiently in his Epistle to Rogati∣anus; * 1.8 though no instance can come home to the point; For, let me boldly say, that since Christianitie lookt forth into the world, there were never so high, and base scornes put upon Episcopacie, as there have been by shamelesse Libellers within the space of this one yeare in this Kingdome; yea in this Ci∣tie: God in his great mercie forgive the au∣thors, and make them sensible of the danger of his just vengeance.

SECT. II.

VVHat a windie Section have you past, wherein you confesse you have striven for words? Things, you say, shall now follow; Things well worthy to bee not more preci∣ous to the Remonstrant, then to every well-minded

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Christian; Leiturgie and Episcopacie.

Leiturgie leads the way; We had need to begin with our prayers. I challenged you for the instances of those many alterations you talked of, in the present Leiturgie; You answer me, Truly Sir, if we were able to produce no fuller evidence of this, then you have done of your Iewish Leiturgie ever since Moses time, we should blush indeed; but if we can bring forth such instan∣ces, &c. Truly Brethren, you could do little, if ye could not crack and boast: the greatest cowards can do this best; Do not say, what ye can do, but do what ye say; Put it upon this very issue. For the Leiturgie (ye say) we can bring forth instances of such alterations as shall prove this present Leiturgie to be none of that which was confirmed by Parliamentary Acts.

Mark well, Readers, for certainly, in plain English, these men go about to mock you: The question is of the present Leiturgie, which is pretended to vary extremely much from that in Queen Elizabeths daies; Now come our braving Vindicators, and, after all their brags, labour to shew that this our pre∣sent Leiturgie differs from that in the daies of Edward the sixt; and spend one whole

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Page, in the particular instances: Is not this pains well bestowed, think you? have they not hit the bird in the eye? utterly balking what they undertook, they undertake what no man questioned; and now before-hand crow, and triumph in these cockle-shels of a famous conquest. But ye lay this for your * 1.9 ground, That the Leiturgie confirmed by our Parliamentary Acts, is the same which was made and confirmed in the fifth and sixth of Edward the sixt: With one altera∣tion, or addition of certain Lessons to be used on every Sunday in the yeer, and the form of the Letany altered and corrected; and two sentences onely added in the delivery of the Sacrament to the Communicant, and none other or otherwise; Thus sayes the Act. Now comes your rare sagacity, and findes not∣withstanding, Queen Elizabeths Leiturgie varying from the former in many omissi∣ons, in many additions, in many alterations: Wherein, what do ye other then give the check to a whole Parliament? they say flatly, None other, or otherwise; you say, The Book is so altered, that the Leiturgie now in use, is not the same that was established by Act of Parliament: But,

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be that as it may; there lies not the question: If Queen Elizabeths Book did so much dif∣fer from King Edwards; What is that to us? Say, (as you have undertaken) what such huge difference there is betwixt King Iames his Book, and Queen Elizabeths? Now, your loud vaunts end in flat silence; neither can you instance in any thing, save some two pettie Particles, not worthie of mention; that in the title of Confirmation, the words For imposition of hands, are added; and, in the Epistle for Palm-Sunday, In, is turned into At: These are all (besides those which I fore∣specified) which have so mis-altered the Leiturgie, that it can no more be known, to be it self, then the strangely-disguised Dames, which were mentioned in Doctor Halls reproof. Now let the Reader say, who is worthie to wear those Liveries of Blushes, which, in your Wardrobe of Wit, you have been pleased to lay up for your friends. But I have not yet said all: If (you say) to these we should adde the late alterations in the use of the Leiturgie, bringing in loud Mu∣sick; uncouth, and unedifying Anthems; a pom∣pous superstitious Altar-service, we think any in∣different eye will say, this is not the Leiturgie esta∣blished

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by Parliament. What mean you, Bre∣thren, thus to delude the Reader? are these things you mention, any part of the Leitur∣gie? are they prescribed by any law of the Church? are they found in any Rubrick of the Communion-book? Do not the allow∣ed Forms of our publique Prayers in all Parochiall, and some Cathedrall Churches, in Chappels, in houses, stand intirely with∣out these? Why do you therefore bring in these things, as essentiall to Leiturgie; In the meet omission of some whereof, no doubt, some Bishops of England (no lesse zealously conscionable, though better tem∣pered, then your selves) may be found to conspire with you: As for the namelesse Bi∣shop, whom you cite, you must pardon me, if I did not understand either you, or him; for the words in your Defence, run, [That the Service of the Church of England is not so dressed, that if a Pope should come and see it, he would claim it as his own.] Now you report them to be, That the Service of the Church of England is now so drest, &c. so as you cannot blame me if I knew not the meaning or the man; But by this your description of his preaching it as

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matter of humiliation to all the Bishops of this Kingdome, in a day of solemne and na∣tionall fasting, I perceive it is the Reverend Bishop of Carlile whom you thus cited, and whom you have, herein, not a little wronged; I acquainted that worthy Prelate with the passage, he disavows the words, and defies the reporters, vehemently protesting, that he never spake either those words, or that sense; and to make it good, delivered me the pre∣tended clause, transcribed out of his notes, with his owne hand; which I reserve by me; no whit sounding that way; but signi∣fying onely a vehement dislike of some in∣novations, as the turning the Table to an Altar, and the low crindging towards the Altar so erected; but, as for the Leiturgy or Service of the Church of England, not a touch of either in his thoughts, or tongue: Now brethren, learne you hence just matter of private humiliation, for so foule a sclan∣der of a grave and religious Bishop, and in him, of this whole Church.

For learned Calvin; if those who professe to honour his name, would have beene ru∣led by his judgement, wee had not had so

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miserable distractions in the Church, as wee have now cause to bewaile; all that I say of him, is, that his censure of some tolerable fooleries in our holy Service, might well * 1.10 have beene forborne in alienâ Republicâ; your vindication is, that hee wrote that Epistle to the English at Francford; Who doubts it? The par∣ties were proper, the occasion just, but not the censure; Parciùs ista, when wee meddle with other mens affaires: I may well be par∣doned, * 1.11 if I say that harsh phrase doth not answer the moderation which that worthy Divine professeth to hold in the controversie of the English.

AS for that unparalleld Discourse, * 1.12 whereon you run so much descant, concerning the Antiquity of Liturgies dedu∣ced so high as from Moses time; you argue that it cannot be, because you never read it: Bre∣thren, your not omniscient eyes shall see that my eyes are so Lyncean, as to see you proudly mis-confident; you shall see that others have seene what you did not; and shall sample that which you termed, un∣paralleld.

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It is neither thank to your bounty, nor praise to your ingenuity, that the question is halfe-granted by you; but an argument of your self-contradiction; An order of Divine service you yeeld, but not a forme; or a forme, but not prescribed, not imposed; and for this, you tell us a tale of Iustin Martyrs Lei∣turgie, and Tertullians Leiturgie, how much to the purpose, the sequell shall shew.

In the former, you grant, that after the Ex∣hortation they all rose, and joyned in prayer; prayer ended, they went to the Sacrament; but, whether these prayers were suddainly conceived, or ordinately prescribed, there is the question; and whether that Sacrament were admini∣stred in an arbitrary, and various forme, mee thinks your selves should finde cause to doubt: But, Iustin saies (to cleare this point) that in the beginning of this Action, the Pre∣sident powred out prayers, and thanksgi∣ving according to his ability, and the people said Amen. What ever his ability was, I am sure you have a rare ability in mis-constru∣ing the Fathers; and particularly these testi∣monies of Iustin, and Tertullian.

To begin with the latter; out of him you

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say, The Christians in those times did in their pub∣like assemblies pray, Sine monitore, quia de pectore; without any prompter but their own heart. Prove, first, that Tertullian speaks of publike assem∣blies. Secondly, know that if he did, the place is to your disadvantage; for (as a late learned Author well urges) would ye have it * 1.13 imagined, that the assembled Christians did betake themselves publikely to their private devotions, each man by himself, as his own heart dictated? this were absurd, and not more against ancient practise, then (as your * 1.14 selves think) piety.

Was it, then, that not the people, but the Minister was left to the liberty of his expres∣sions? What is that to the people? How did they ere the more pray without a prompter? How is it more out of their heart, when they follow the Minister praying out of un∣known conceptions, then out of fore∣known prescription? So as, you must be admonished, that your Sine monitore, without a prompter, is without all colour of proof of prayers conceived: your Zephyrus blows with too soft a gale to shake the foundation of this argument; and indeed is but a side∣winde

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to my Heraldus, and the very same blast with your Rigaltius; though you would seem to fetch them out of different corners; If I give you your own asking, you have gained nothing: For what would you infer? Christians prayed for the Emperors with∣out a monitor, as the heathens did not; there∣fore they had no formes of Christian pray∣ers: He were liberall, that would grant you * 1.15 this consequent; when rather the very place shews what the forme was, which the Chri∣stians then used; We are praying still for all Emperors, that God would give them a long life, a secure raigne, a safe Court, valiant hoasts, faithfull Counsellors, good people, and a quiet world; This was Tertullians Lei∣turgie, wherein the hearts of Christians joy∣ned without a monitor; It is small advantage that you will finde in my sense of Sine moni∣tore; (not being urged by any superior injun∣ction) If no injunction, you say, how could it be a Leiturgie, a commanded, imposed forme? You are unwilling to understand, that the injunction here meant is generall, a command to pray for the Emperour, not a particular charge of the forms injoyned in praying; this was

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therefore the praise of their Christian loyal∣tie, that even unrequired, they poured out their supplications for Princes: Shortly then, after all these pretended senses, Tertullian will not upon any termes be drawne to your partie.

Those other two places of Tertullian and Austine are meerely sleevelesse, and unpro∣ving; not making any whit at all more for conceived prayers, then for prescribed; Who ever made question, whether wee might build our prayers upon our Saviours form? or whether we might vary our prayers with our occasions? Those Fathers say no more, we no lesse; Ye dare not say there were no publique Leiturgies in S. Au∣stins time; My Margin was * 1.16 conviction enough; which ye touch as an Iron too hot, with an hand quickly snatcht a∣way. Your denial should have drawn on further proofs.

Iustin Martyr (though fifty yeers before Tertullian) follows him in your discourse; How guiltily you both translate and

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cite him, an Author of no mean judgement * 1.17 hath shewed before me. I shall not therefore glean after his sickle; But shortly thus, take your (〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉) in your own best sense (for quantum pro virile potest) what will follow? * 1.18 The President prayed, and gave thanks to the utmost of his power; therfore the Church had then no Leiturgie. What proof call you this? Look back, Brethren, to your own ci∣tation; you shall finde Prayers more then once in their Lords-day meetings; These latter were the Presidents, the former some other Ministers; these in the usuall set forms, those out of present conception; both stand well together, both agreeable to the practise, as of these, so of former ages.

BUt whiles I affect over-full answers, I * 1.19 feel my self grow (like you) tedious, I must contract my self and them. Your asser∣tion of the originall of set forms of Leiturgy, I justly say is more Magistrall, then true, and such as your own testimonies confute.

That of the Councell of Laodicea is most * 1.20 pregnant for set formes, before Arrius or Pe∣lagius lookt forth into the world; wherein

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mention is expresly made of three formes of Prayer, one by and for the Catechumeni, the se∣cond for the Penitents, the third for the Faith∣full. You cannot elude so cleare a proofe, by saying the Councell required prayers for all these, but did not binde to set formes in prayers; for the same Councell stops your mouth whiles it tels you in plaine termes, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 that the same form * 1.21 or Liturgy of Prayers was to be used mor∣ning and evening; And Clemens (though not the true, yet ancient) tels us, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, &c. and in the eight Book of his Constitutions, recites large prayers which were publiquely used in the Church. Let the Rea∣der now judge, where this shuffling lies: The Canon requires one of these prayers to be in silence; what then? So doth our Liturgy re∣quire in the Ordination of Ministers, that in one passage of this solemne act, our prayers should be secret and silent, yet the rest is no lesse in set formes.

You might then bee ashamed to object want of fidelity to me in the citation of that testimony, which I but barely quoted in my margin. Neither can you avoid a self-confu∣tation

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in your owne proofes; There was no noise of the Arrian heresie till the Nicene Councell; The Councell of Laodicea (wher∣in set formes are notified) was before the Nicene by your owne account: Yea, but, say you, the heresie of Arrius was not just borne at the period of the Nicene Councell; True; but was it borne so long before, as that any Councell tooke notice of it, before the Nicene? This you dare not affirme: But (for a second shift) the heresie of Arrius troubled the Church sometime, before the name of Arrius was borrowed by it; Grant we (upon good authority of Fa∣thers, and Councels) that the ground of the cursed error of Arrius, concerning the Son of God, was laid before by others; what is that to the question of set prayers? What is, if this be not a plaine shuffle? Neither is it any o∣ther then a meere slurre, wherewith you passe over the unanswerable pressure of the Laodicean Councell, before mentioned, by cavilling the difference betwixt prescribing, and composing; the Councell is flat in both, and injoynes one and the same Liturgy of prayers: Certainly, brethren, you finde cold comfort at Laodicea; Let us see how you

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mend your selves at Carthage. The Fathers * 1.22 there, injoyne that no man in his prayers should name the Father for the Son; or the Son for the Father; that in assisting at the Altar, their prayers should be directed to the Father; that no man should make use of any other forme then is prescribed, unlesse he did first confer with his more learned brethren: Hence you gather, there was no set forme in use in the Church; and no such circumscribing of liberty in prayer that a man should be tied to a set Liturgie. The charge was doubtlesse given upon a particular occasion, which is buried with time; whether it were ignorance, or heed∣lesnesse in those African Priests, that they thus mistook in their Devotions, I cannot determine; But, why might it not be then, as it is with too many now, that notwith∣standing the Churches prescriptions, men will be praying as they list; and let fall such expressions as may well deserve censure and restraint? However, that they had set formes, seemes to bee sufficiently implyed in their own words; Quicun{que} sibi preces aliunde descri∣bit; for what can that aliunde relate unto but some former prescription; which, that they

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had, even in these African Churches, we need no other testimony then of the Magdeburgen∣ses, who cite Cyprian himselfe for this purpose * 1.23 in his Booke de Oratione Dominica; where he tels us that the Priest began with, Sursum cor∣da, Lift up your hearts; and the Congregation answered, Wee lift them up unto the Lord: To which they adde, Formulas denique quasdam precationū sine dubio habuerunt; They had then without doubt certaine set formes of pray∣ers; and to suppose, that they had prescribed formes for publique use, which no man should be required to use, it were a strange and uncouth fancy: Neither need wee any better contest for our defence then him, whom you cite in your margin, learned Cas∣sander, in the just allegation both of this Councell, and the Milevitane, the Canon * 1.24 whereof runs thus; It pleaseth the Fathers that those prayers, or orisons which are ap∣proved in the Synod, shall bee used by all men; And no other shall bee said in the Church, but such as have beene made, by some prudent Authors, or allowed of the Synod; lest perhaps something may bee composed by them through ignorance, or

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want of care, contrary to the faith.

Say, Readers, is not this a likely testimo∣ny to bee produced against set formes of Prayer? What is it then that you would hence inferre? First, that this being (Anno 416.) is the first mention of prayers to be approved or rati∣fied in a Synod, and the restrayning to the use of them: Grant that it were so, of prayers to bee ratified, or restrained, Is it so of prayers to be used? Are you not sufficiently convinced herein, by the Synod of Laodicea? It is the occasion that draws on the Law; till now, this presumption of obtruding private mens prayers upon the publique use of the Church, was not heard of in those parts; now only was it seasonable for correction.

Secondly, you say the restriction was not such but that it admitted a toleration of prayers, framed by prudent Divines; no lesse, then those which were approved by the Sy∣nod; What gaine you by that? when these prayers were said, and not conceived; and so said, that they were put into formes, not left to arbitrary delivery.

Secondly, the occasion of this restriction (being the prevention of errours in praying)

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is so universall both for time and place, that it may well argue this practise to be most ancient for the originall, and worthy to be perpetuall for the continuance. And now, that the Vindicators may see how small cause the Remonstrant hath to be convinced of the latenesse of set forms imposed, (not till the Arrian and Pelagian Heresies invaded * 1.25 the Church) let them be pleased to tell the Reader, what those 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, Prayers prescribed were, whereof Origen speaks in his 6. book against Cels. so frequent∣ly used; and if that word may undergo an∣other sense, what those 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 can be constru∣ed, wherefrom he quotes three or four passa∣ges of Scriptures, in the fourth book against Celsus? Lastly, what the meaning and in∣ference may be, of that * 1.26 which the Centuries alledge out of Origen in his 11. Ho∣mily upon Ieremy; Vbi fre∣quenter in oratione dicimus, Da omnipotens, da nobis partem cum Prophetis, da cum Apostolis Christi tui, tribue ut inve∣niamur ad vestigia unigeniti tui. If this be not part of a set form of prayer, and long before Arrius

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or Pelagius, I have lost both my aim, and the day; if it be, repent of your confidence, and recant your errour: and grant at last, that out of most venerable Antiquity, the approvers of Liturgies have produced such evidences for their ancient use, as your insolent wis∣dome may jeer, but can never answer.

HOw I admire your goodnesse! Merci∣full men, you pardon that fault, which * 1.27 in justice ye could not find, or cannot prove: my confident assertion of the prayers where∣with Peter and Iohn joyned, when they went up into the Temple at the ninth hour of prayer, that they were not of a sudden con∣ception, but of a regular prescription, shall be made good with better authority, then your bold and braving deniall; I say the prayers wherewith they joyned, not the prayers which they made; the prayers which they made, were their own, (which wipes * 1.28 away your stout instance, in the Pharisee and Publican) but the prayers wherewith they joyned, were publike and regular. For in all their Sacrifices and Oblations, the Jews had their set Service of prayers, which gave

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life to those otherwise dead (or, at least, dumb) actions. The noble and learned Lord, Du-Plessis, the great glory of the Re∣formed * 1.29 Church of France, speaks home to this purpose; so doth the renowmed P. Fagius the dead Martyr of our Cambridge, besides learned Cappellus, whom we cited in our late Defence. Confessio olim in sacrificio solennis; ejus, praeterquam in lege vestigia, in prophetis formulam habemus: In ipsis Iudaeorum libris verba tanquam concepta extant, quae sacerdos pronunciare solitus, saith the said Mornay Du-Plessis. There was a solemn confession in their sacrifice of old; whereof, besides that we have certain foot∣steps in the Law, we have the very form in * 1.30 the Prophets; In the books of the Iews, the very expresse words are extant, which the Priest had wont to pronounce. Thus he. And Lyranus wel acquainted with the Iewish practises (as being one of them himself) tels * 1.31 us, that the Priest was used to confesse in ge∣nerall, all the sins of the people, as (saith he) we are wont to do in the entrance of our Masse. But Ludovicus Cappellus, the French * 1.32 Oracle of Hebrew learning, hath those very words, whereat you jeer so oft, as falling

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from my pen: Ex quibus videre est, orationem cujus causa Petrus & Johannes petebant Tem∣plum, fuisse eam, quae à Iudaeis dicitur 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 quae respondet oblationi vespertinae lege praescriptae, quae fiebat, ut loquitur Scriptura, inter duas vesperas; Thus he; whom I beseech you Brethren, laugh at for company.

Admire with me, Reader, the subtlety of * 1.33 this deep exception; Our Saviour (I say) pre∣scribed to his Disciples, besides the Rule, a direct form of prayer; What say my great Challengers to this? The Remonstrant will have an hard task (say they) to prove from Scripture, that either John or our Saviour gave to their Di∣sciples publike Liturgies, or that the Disciples were tyed to the use of this form. Truly the task were as hard, as the very mention of it is absurd and unreasonable. For shame Brethren, leave this palpable shuffling; the Remonstrant spake of a Prayer, ye ask for a Liturgie; the Remonstrant speaks of prescribing, ye talk of tying; which (till your Reply) came not so much as into question; It must be a weak sight that cannot discern your grosse sub∣terfuges.

The use that our Saviour was pleased to

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make in his last Supper of the fashions and words which were usuall in the Jewish feasts, is plainly affirmed not by Cassander on∣ly, (whose videtur you please to play upon) but by Paulus Fagius at large, by Mornaeus, by Cappellus: And if these tooke it from Maimo∣nides, who wrote not till a thousand yeares after Christ; yet, from whom I beseech you had Maimonides this observation? A man of yesterday may upon good grounds of au∣thority tell a truth of a thousand yeares old.

I let passe the meere non-sense wherewith you shut up this Paragraph, as more worthy of the Readers smile then my confutation; who will easily assume by comparing the place, how little I meant to fetch a Liturgy from a feast; or necessity out of an arbitrary act.

TO prove that the Jews had a form of * 1.34 Liturgy even from Moses his time, I pro∣duced a monument above the reach of your either knowledge, or censure; a Samaritan Chronicle, now in the hands of our most learned and famous Primate of Ireland; written in Arabick, translated into that

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tongue, out of the Hebrew, as Ios: Scaliger (whose it once was) testifies; fetching downe the story from Moses to Adrians time, and somewhat below it; out of this so anci∣ent Record, I cited the * 1.35 very words of the Author, which these men would faine mistake as my own; wherein hee mentions a booke of the old Liturgy of the Jews, in which were contained those Songs and Prayers which were used before their sacrifices: Ad∣ding; For before every of their severall sacrifices, they had their severall Songs still used in those times of peace; all which, accurately written, were transmitted to the subsequent generations, from the time of the Legat (Moses) unto this day, by the ministery of the high Priest. Thus he. This is our evidence; now let us see your shifts: First, you tel us, Those were onely Divine hymns, wherein there was alwayes something of Prayer. If but thus,

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wee have what wee would; for what are prayses, but one kind of prayers; And what can be more said for a set forme of hymns, then of petitions? But, brethren, yee might have seene in the Authors owne words, (which you are loath to see) Songs and Pray∣ers, which were ever used before their Sacri∣fices; and were comprised in that ancient Service-book: See now Reader, whether there bee not something for set Prayers in the Authors own words, which these men would wittingly out-face, and not willing∣ly see.

The Testimony cannot be eluded, now it must be disparaged; [Ioseph Scaliger had cer∣tainly but two Samaritan Chronicles] Who saies he had more? I cited but one, what needed you (but to shew the world you can tell some∣thing) to talk of two? What businesse have we with that shorter Chronicle, which you will needs draw into mention? Let that bee as fond, as your exception is unseasonable; What is that to us? How else should wee have knowne, that you had taken notice of a Samaritane Pentateuch, and learned Mr. Sel. dens Marmora Arundeliana? Away with this

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poore ostentation; speake to the purpose; What can you say against that large Samari∣tan Chronicle, which I produced, turned out of Hebrew into Arabick, written in a Sama∣ritan Character, and now not a little estee∣med by the great, and eminently judicious Primate, in whose Library it is? Surely, as I have heard some bold pleaders; when they have feared a strong testimony, pick quar∣rels at the face of the witnesse; so doe you, brethren, in this case. Scaliger himselfe you say (the former owner) passes this censure upon it, that though it have many things worthy of know∣ledge, yet they are crusted over with Samaritan de∣vices. Who can expect other but that a Sa∣maritan should speak like himselfe, when it comes to a difference in Religion? but this is no reason, why in matters accorded, there should bee any distrust: What a Bellarmine writes of the holy Trinity passeth for no lesse currant then the best of our owne; If Ains∣worth lived and died a Separatist, yet we dare beleeve him in his report of Jewish Anti∣quities, no lesse then Broughton, Weems, Drusi∣us. So as this winde shakes not the authori∣ty of this relation.

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But, judge (you say) how much credit we are to give to this book for Antiquitie, as far as Moses, which makes no mention of their own originall, any other wayes, then, That they came out of Egypt by Moses; A poor and groundlesse exception: for that which wee alledge this Author for, is onely the report of a booke containing the formes of prayers used by the Jewes since Moses; and as for the mention of their owne Originall, it was their glory to fetch themselves from the first Jewish Patri∣arks, (as the Samaritan Woman did at Jacobs Well) neither would they challenge a lower rise; no marvell therefore if they passed in si∣lence the Historie of the defection of the ten Tribes; as rather tending to their owne ble∣mish; especially considering, what Josephus reports of their fashion, That ever when the Jewes prospered, they claimed brotherhood of them; when contrarily, they proclaimed hostility; And what if this Author doth onely touch the names of Sampson, Samuel, David, what doth this detract from the credit and validity of his historie? So as notwithstanding your frivolous cavils, we will take leave to make so much of our Samaritan Cronicle, as to

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avow it for a noble and ancient proofe of that my confident assertion of the use of Li∣turgies since Moses.

YOur pretended proofe to the contrary, which you so gloriously bring out of * 1.36 your famous Rabbi Moses Maimonides in his Mishneh, will prove but a vain flourish; & if it worke any thing, it will be for my advan∣tage. For what is it that hee sayes? It is (saith hee) an affirmative precept, that prayers should be made to God, every day, &c. Caeterùm neque numerus, &c. But neither the number of those prayers, nor the obligation to this, or that prayer, nor the certaine, and definite time of prayer, is injoyned in the Law: Thus he. Now, how doth that concerne us? Who ever defended, that Moses in the Letter of the Law, had given order for either number, or time, or obligation of par∣ticular prayers of severall Israelites? although, under your good favour, we know that even then there were solemne formes of words, to bee used in the remove and resting of the Arke; and in the solemne benedictions of Israel, and in the trialls of Jelousie, prescribed * 1.37 by God himselfe to the Priests; whereof

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what can yee make other, then a shorter kind of stinted Liturgie? Length, or brevitie makes no variance. But what doth this im∣ply other, then that there were of old, pre∣scriptions both of number, and time, and formes, though not expressed in the Law? particulars whereof we shall produce in the sequell; such as were not onely for the helpe of the ignorant, but for the direction of the Priests themselves, and for the better devoti∣on of the people. That Ezra therefore and the men of the great Synagogue, made use of those eighteene formes of prayers, or benedi∣ctions, prescribed by them so long agoe, it argues nothing, that the like formes were not in set practise before their times; so as your Maimonides (after all your proritation) holds no other then faire termes with our Samaritan Chronicle.

And would learned Capellus (thinke you) make himselfe so merrie at the view of this passage? surely, brethren, it would be at your fond and ridiculous mis-prison, in playing not upon my words, but your owne idle fancy.

I cited Capellus for the formes of prayer * 1.38

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used at the Minchah, and other Sacrifices, which you cannot gain-say, but that I should inferre from him, that the Jewish Liturgies were as ancient as Moses; it is your meere dreame, not my assertion: It would become you to make more conscience of your suggestions. As for the marginall note out of Buxtorfius, it is worthy of but a marginall touch; What such abuse were it to say, that Maimonides tooke those thirteene Articles of his Creed, from the Jewes devotion; when the same Author confesses they had a being before; but were by Rabbi Moses Bar Maimon redacted into this Order, wherein they stand? Surely, that ever since Ezra's time they had a known forme of prayer, is confessed clearely by the same Rabbin, in his Misnah, as we have formerly seene; and, what place could bee more proper for the seat of a Creed? But, to meet a little with your crowing insultation, in this passage of the age of the Jewish Li∣turgie, what say you to that expresse testimo∣nie of Paulus Fagius, (a man, one of the best * 1.39 acquainted with Hebrew learning, of all ours in his age) who upon the Chal∣dee Paraphrase of Leviticus, Chap. 16. in the

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words [Et confiteatur super eum] hath thus, Forma confessionis quâ tum usus est summus Ponti∣fex, secundum Hebraeorum relationem, haec fuit, &c. The forme of confession which the high Priest (then, in the first times of the Law) used, according to the relation of the He∣brewes, was thus, O Lord, thy people of the house * 1.40 of Israel have sinned, they have done wickedly, they have grievously transgressed before thee; I beseech thee now, O Lord, forgive their sinnes, and iniquities, and transgressions, wherein thy people, the house of Israel, have sinned, and done wickedly, and transgres∣sed before thee? And when the said high-Priest * 1.41 offered a Bullock for a sin offering, then he said in this manner, O Lord, I have sinned, I have done wickedly, and have grievously transgressed; I be∣seech thee now, O Lord, be mercifull to those sins, and iniquities, and grievous transgressions wherein I have sinned, done wickedly, and transgressed against thee. And when he should offer the other Bullock, he used much what the same forme, adding, I, and my house, and the Sonnes of Aaron, thy holy people, have sinned, &c. I beseech thee now, O Lord, pardon the sinnes, and iniquities, and trans∣gressions, &c.

This triple confession did the high-Priest

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solemnly use, in the feast of Expiation; And what the forme of the high Priests prayer was when he appeared before the Lord, the said Fagius showes us out of the Thalmud. * 1.42

Besides this, there was a set forme (and that somewhat large) of prayer and bene∣diction, which the Master of the Familie a∣mongst the Jewes, was privately wont to use in his holy feasts; which the same Au∣thor elsewhere in his Chaldee Paraphrase, upon Deut. 8. fully expresses; adding withall, (which you were pleased to make sport with, as mine) Verisimile est Christum quibus∣dam * 1.43 quae in his precibus continentur, usum fuisse; It is very likely, that our Saviour made use of some passages which are contained in these prayers: And Paulus Burgensis tells us, it was an old Tradi∣tion amongst the Jewes, that when they had eaten the Paschall Lambe, they sung the Psalmes, from Laudate pueri Dominum, to Beati immaculati, that is, from the 113th. to the 119th. adding, Verisimile hos à Domino decantatos: It is likely, that these were sung by our Saviour in his last Supper.

By this time the Reader sees there is some∣what more ground for a set forme of prayer

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amongst the ancient Jewes, then your deepe Rabbinisme would condescend unto. I have dwelt somewhat longer in this point, be∣cause I see the chiefe pride of your Vindicati∣on lies in this passage of Jewish skill; where∣in I well see with whose heifer you have ploughed; and what name you might adde (if there were roome) to your learned Acrosticks; but when all is done, I am decei∣ved, if you may not put your gaines in your eye.

FOr Christian Liturgies, your like con∣fidence * 1.44 challenges the Remonstrant, to produce any Liturgie that was the issue of the first three hundred yeares: I name those under the stile of James, Basil, Chrysostome; as ancient, though spuriously interserted; You tell me of those of Peter, Matthew, Marke, &c. (though Peters was the same with Markes) and cite learned Rivetus, who censures these as zizania; the tares, which the enemie sow'd whiles the husband∣man slept; Quite beside the cushion: Those were such, as all wise Christians will con∣fesse (with St. Austin) were, A sutoribus fabu∣larum, sub Apostolorum nomine conscripti; Broa∣ched

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by some cogging merchants, under the name of the Apostles: But these other were generally, both for matter and manner, holy; though interspersed with some passages that might argue a later hand; whiles others of them beare such age, as that they are cited by anci∣ent Fathers, for authentick parts of the for∣merly received Liturgies: shortly then, to produce those intire Liturgies, which were in the first three hundred yeares, is as un∣reasonable to demand, as impossible to performe; How many noble monu∣ments, besides these, have perished, as swal∣lowed up by the devouring jawes of time, which it were a vaine hope to revoke? But that there were such Liturgies in use, with those Churches, within the time required, I doubt not to evince; what else, I beseech you, was that Euchologium, which Origen (before that time) cites? whence were those pas∣sages of interchanged devotion, which the Centuriators themselves instance in, from Cy∣prian, fore-alledged by mee? I dare boldly say, yee cannot answer these demands, and not yeeld your cause: To which let mee adde in the next succeeding age,

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those 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, which Eusebius tells us, * 1.45 that Constantine made use of in his Court: Our learned Christophorson renders it thus; Constitutas cum universo Ecclesiae coetu, preces red∣debat; so as (notwithstanding your colourable proofe in your Defence, of the frame of a prayer injoyned to the souldiers by that good Emperour) it is cleare enough that, in those times, there was a set forme of Liturgie, in∣joyned to the use of the Church. Learned Morney, an Author past exception, shall attest with mee; who, in that elaborate, and accu∣rate Treatise of the Masse and the parts there∣of, dividing that divine Service, according to the distribution of the Laodicean Synod, (which you would faine have eluded by a pretence of no prescription of formes) into that of the Catechumeni, that of the Penitents, that of the Faithfull, hath thus; Hic jam mille * 1.46 fidelium locus, cujus ab oratione generali exordium, &c. This then is the place of the service of the faith∣full; whose entrance was alwayes with a generall prayer, for all the world, for the state of the Church, for the necessities both publicke and private. The Grecians call this a Letanie, or supplication, &c. Quae autem orationis illius forma fuerit ab incu∣nabulis

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Ecclesiae, ad hoc usque seculum custodita, ex coaevis authoribus perspicuum: What the forme of that prayer was, which hath beene kept, even from the cradle of the Church unto this very age, it is ap∣parent out of the Authors that lived in those times. Thus that famous Lord, Du Plessis; who seconds his owne judgement by pregnant authorities from Chrysostome, Ambrose, Au∣gustine; to which, out of the feare of tedi∣ousnesse, I remit my Reader. By all which it is (I hope) made evident enough, that, before ever Pelagius, or Arrius infected the world, prescribed formes of publick pray∣ers were commonly used in the Christian Church. It is indeed more then an implica∣tion, which the Remonstrant drew from the Ancyran Synod, The Presbyter that had once sacrificed, was forbidden, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, * 1.47 to offer, to preach, to officiate in priestly ad∣ministrations: What is the Ministers im∣ployment but the Word, Sacraments, and Prayers; all three here inhibited, and these last, under the name of Litur∣gies?

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not delude the Reader with an opinion, that any either mistake, or fraud will follow upon the ambiguitie of the word; it may please the Reader, to take notice of what these carpers will not see; a plaine expression in my translated words, of Liturgies, or Ministrations. It is great pitie that the Remonstrant did not know so well as these deepe heads, that 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 is a word of both various, and generall use: They needed not to send him to Zonaras, or Balsamon, for this parcell of Phylologie, which he could have taught them nearer home, out of Saint Paul himselfe, and Saint Luke; in whom they shall finde [〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉] applyed to Zacharias * 1.48 his sacrificing; and 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, which our last translation turnes Vessels of the mini∣sterie: * 1.49 yea, the very collection of Almes is Saint Pauls 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 and Epaphroditus is his * 1.50 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 What use then was there of this wast piece of Grammar-learning, when the Remonstrant himselfe interpreted Liturgies by Ministrations?

I Extolled the due use of conceived prayer; even * 1.51 this doth not please, but invites suspicion

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rather; well might I complaine of this sul∣lennesse and morositie.

If the quarrels that you pickt with the both Originall and Confirmation of our Li∣turgie prove unjust, you may well allow me to call your arguing about it, no other then wrangling. For the Originall, I deduced it from ancient models, not Roman, but Christian; you except at the termes of pretended opposition, and still could fetch sparkes to fling in the face of him, who by the suffrages of un∣questionable Divines hath shewed the just sense of the true visibilitie of the Roman Church. Truly, brethren, this is meerely to bark where you have no power at all to bite. What faculty you have in flinging sparkes I know not, but I am sure, if you blow this coale hard, the sparkes will flie in your eyes. The question is so throughly setled by those (which you spitefully call begged) suffrages, that no wit of man can finde but a probable colour to revive it.

Faine would you have something to say to Doctor Hall, if ye knew what it were; In his book of the old Religion, he cites a speech of Lu∣thers; that this good friend of Rome saies, Under

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the Papacie is true Christianitie, yea the very kernell of Christianitie: What of this? Did Doctor Hall faine that Luther said so? Or doe these men feare that Luther is turn'd Papist? Com∣pare this (you say) with that the Bishop of Salisburie saith, in his begged suffrage, who thus, speakes; That the Church of Rome is no more a true Church, then an arrant whore is a true wife to her husband. Well: Compare Luther with the Bishop of Salisburie; two worthy Divines, what then? They will, I hope, prove good friends, and Doctor Hall with them both; whose owne suffrage hath bin, and is no lesse peremptorie against Rome, then this which he begged; A married woman, though she be a close harlot, is yet a wife; and though she be not true to her husbands bed, yet she is truely his wife, till shee belegally divorced: Such is the state of the Roman Church, to Doctor Davenant, and Doctor Hall, and all other Or∣thodox Divines. Where now is your cha∣ritie in raising such groundlesse intimations against your innocent brethren? Tell the Reader, I beseech you, where that scorne lies, which you say is cast upon you in this passage of my Defence. I justly boast of those our Mar∣tyrs

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and Confessors, which were the com∣posers of our Liturgie; You would faine counterpoize them with some holy Martyrs and Confessors of the same reformed Religi∣on, that opposed it, even to persecution; and tell us of the troubles of Frankford. Pardon me, brethren; some Confessors you may talke of, but Martyrs yee can name none: One, who was the most vehement of all those oppo∣sers, I knew to live and dye in a quiet submis∣sion to the Liturgie established; none of them suffered death for Religion: they might bee holy men, and yet might square in their opi∣nions; even betwixt Paul and Barnabas there was a 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. My praise of our Mar∣tyrs tended not to the disparagement of any other.

AS for that slurre which your answer seemed to cast upon the Edict of King * 1.52 James, and our Parliamentary Acts, that they are not unalterable, as the Lawes of the Medes and Persians; your so deep protestation clears you in our thoughts; I have charitie enough to beleeve you; but I must tell you, that speech might have a good heart, but it hath an ill

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face; let it passe with favour: and as for those cheerefull expressions which you confesse you have taken liberty to make use of, in the passages of your booke, you will pardon me, if they bee intertained with as cheerefull an∣swers: Tertullian, shalbe seconded by Horace, Ridentem dicere verum, Quis vetat? Let those laugh that win.

For your Quaeres; It seemes you thinke I am merrie too soone, in receiving them with so sarcasticall a Declamation: Your project is of the altering of our Liturgie; I tell you se∣riously, if you drive at a totall alteration (as your words seeme to import) your quaere is worthy of no better reception then scorne: For, that any private person should (as of his owne head) move for the entire change of a thing, established by so sacred authoritie, and such firme and full Lawes, can be no better then a bold and ridiculous insolence. It was truly told you, that if you intended onely a cor∣rection of some inconvenient expressions, no doubt it would bee considered of, by wiser heads then your owne; whereby I meant, that honourable and reverend Committee, to which this great care was, by publick assent, referred; you straight

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suspect a designe to gaine upon the Parlia∣ment; and, by a pretended shadow of altera∣tion, to prevent a reall and totall reformation. Take heede, brethren; lest you heedlesly wrong them whom you professe to honour, and we with you: Is the Parliament (thinke you) so easie to be gained upon by pretended shadowes? Will those solid judgements bee likely to be swayed by colours? Why do you cast that aspersion upon them, to whom yee say you have presented these considerations; and to whose grave wisdoms we do no lesse humbly submit? That God, who sits in the assemblie of the Judges of the earth, will, we hope, so guide the hearts of those great, and prudent Peeres and Commons, that they shall determine what may conduce most to peace, and godly uniformitie. But sure, brethren, you could not imagine, that by those wiser heads, wee should meane our owne; when you compare your owne designes and successe, with our plaine credulitie, and late un-thri∣ving proceedings. Injoy your winnings without our envie, not without our pitie of the poore Church of England, which will, I feare, too late rue your prevalence.

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THe alteration of the Liturgie sent into * 1.53 Scotland is a businesse utterly unconcer∣ning us: whatever unhappy hands were in it, would God they had beene prevented by some seasonable Gout, or Palsie; in the re∣port of the alteration made of the Liturgie in the beginning of Queene Elizabeths time, I feare, you doe not well agree either with truth or with your selves, if we compare this passage with your first entry into this large Section; let the scanning of it be left to the Readers better leisure: as not worthy to re∣tard our way. Doctor Taylor (whom you are pleased seriously to honour with the titles of my Ironie) hath made good amends, belike, for the praise he gave to our Liturgie which he helped to compose, in his censure of a Bi∣shops Licence, and the Priestly robes; the one whereof (you say) hee called the marke of the Beast, the other a Fooles coat: But, what if the strange variety of Popish vestments, seemed to that holy Martyr, ridiculous? What if to take a li∣cence to preach from the hands of a Popish Bishop, seemed to him no better then to receive the marke of a Beast? what is that to us? what to the cause? Were these tenets erroneous, is

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this sufficient to enervate his testimonie, for the allowance of that Letanie, which he made his last prayer at his parting with his deare consort? And for the free use whereof he bles∣sed that God to whom hee was sending up his soule? Were it a good ground of judge∣ment, that he, who once erres, can never say true? But, for this censure of the good Mar∣tyr, let those that feele the smart of it com∣plaine.

Let us descend (since you will have it so) to the re-examination of those your reasons, which enforce your desired alteration: First, it symbo∣lizeth with the Popish Masse: I say, neither as Masse, nor as Popish: you disprove me in nei∣ther, neither indeed can doe. Could you in∣stance, This prayer is Superstitious, that Ido∣latrous, this Hereticall, that Erroneous, you might have just reason to except at any touch of our symbolizing with them; But, if the pray∣er be good, and holy, why should I more re∣fuse it, as comming from a Papists mouth, then I would make use of a vicious prayer comming from the best Protestant? Where I said, If the Divell confesse Christ to be the Sonne of God, shall I disclaime the truth, because it passed

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through a damned mouth? You answer, But you know Sir, that Christ would not receive such a con∣fession from the Divels mouth, nor Paul neither, Act. 16. True, in respect of the person confessing, not of the truth confessed: As it came from an evill spirit, our Saviour, and St. Paul had rea∣son to refuse it; but neither of them would disclaime the matter of that truth, which was so averred. There is great difference betwixt the words of a foule spirit, and a faulty man; but if you will needs make a parallel, it must be personall: Christ would not allow a Divell to confesse him; we will not allow a Popish sa∣crificer to usurpe our good prayers; but if my Saviour would not dis-allow that I should make use of the good Confession of an evill spirit, much lesse would hee dislike that I should make use of that good prayer, which was once the expression of an evill man: And yet these were not such, being taken from the composures of holy men, and ill places; so as this is no other, then to take up gold mis-laid in a channell, which could not impure it: you may well aske why it was laid there; you have no reason to aske why a wise man should take it up: Your

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question therefore; What need wee go to the Ro∣man Portuise for a prayer, when wee can have one more free from jealousies in another place; might have been moved to those Worthies, which gathered this pile of devotion, who would easily have answered you, that your jealousie is causelesse, whiles the prayers themselves are past ex∣ception; but can with no colour of reason bee charged upon us, who take holy prayers from good hands, not needing to enquire whence they had them.

YOur second reason is as forcelesse, as your first. Our Liturgie was composed (you * 1.54 say) into this forme on purpose to bring the Papist to our Churches; that failing, there is no reason to re∣taine it. The argument failes in every part: First, our Liturgie was thus composed on purpose, that all Christians might have a form of holy devotion, wherein they might safely, and comfortably joyne together, both pub∣lickly and privately, in an acceptable service to their God; and this end, I am sure, failes not in respect of the intention of the composers, however it speed in the practise of the users of it. Secondly, there is no reason that where

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the issue of things faileth, the good intention of the agent should bee held frustrate, or his act void: Our end in preaching the Gospel, is, to win soules to God; if we prevaile not, shall we surcease, and condemne our errand as vaine? But here, I say, the project sped; for till the eleventh yeare of Queene Elizabeth, there was no Recusant. You tell me, It was not the converting power of the Liturgie, but the con∣straining power of the Law, that effected this: But, brethren, what constraining power was of any use, where there was no Recusant? Every constraint implies a reluctation, here was none: If then our Liturgie had no power of converting to our Churches, yet it had no o∣peration of averting from them. What the Popes negotiations were with Queen Eliza∣beth, at this time, imports nothing; I am sure I have those Manuscript Decisions of the Je∣suitish Casuists, which first determined it un∣lawfull to joyne with our assemblies; till which our Liturgie had so good effect, that those, who differed from us in opinion, were not separated in our devotion. But how am I mistaken? That which I boasted of, as the praise, is objected to mee as the reproach of

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our divine service. What credit is this to our Church (you say) to have such a forme of publicke worship, as Papists may, without offence, joyne with us in, &c. Or, How shall that reclaime an erring soule that brings their bodies to Church, and leaves their hearts still in errour? I beseech you, bre∣thren, what thinke you of the Lords Prayer? Is that a perfect platforme of our devotion, or is it not? Tell me then, what Christian is there in the world, of what nation, language, sect soever, (except the Separatist onely) will refuse to joyne with their fellow Christians in that forme of prayer? And, What credit is it to our Christian profession to have such a forme of publicke prayer, as Papists, Grecians, Moscovites, Armenians, Jacobites, Abassines, may, without of∣fence, joyne with us in? I had thought you would have looked for the reclamation of erring soules by the power of preaching? Here is no unteaching or confutation of errors, no con∣firmations of either Doctrines, or Uses in the formes of our prayers: And if I should aske you how many you have reclaimed by your conceived prayers, you would not, I feare, need to spend too much breath in the answer.

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soules to the want or weaknesse in preach∣ing, you think to choak me by an exprobra∣tion of the fault of your Governors: Let the Bishops see how they will cleare their soules of this sinne, who, having the sole power of admitting Ministers into the Church, have admitted so many weake ones, and have rejected so many faithfull, able Preachers, for not conforming to their beggerly rudiments: Let those whose guiltinesse findes themselves galled with this crimination, flie out in an angry an∣swer; but if there be those, who have beene conscionably carefull not to admit them that are not competently 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 not to eject any peaceable, and conscionable Divine, for meere matter of ceremonie, how injuriously have you fastened upon them other mens delinquences? although it is not unpossible, that men may be able Preachers, and yet tur∣bulent; and there may bee ceremoniall rites, neither theirs, nor beggerly.

You are deceived, brethren, it is not our Liturgie that hath lost any; too many have lost themselves by a mis-taught prejudice a∣gainst our Liturgie: as for the mis-catholick part, tell me, I pray you, whether is it more likely that a staggering Papist will rather

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joyne with a Church that useth a Liturgie, or one that hath none? With a Church that al∣lowes some of their wholesome prayers, or that which rejects and defies all, though ne∣ver so holy, because theirs? And for our own, surely, if our acute Jesuits had no keener ar∣guments, then this you bring, we should be in small feare to lose Proselytes; For what weake Protestant could not easily replie, The Church of Rome was ancient, but yours is new; that was orthodox, this false: The service was not yours, but borrowed and usurped from better hands; we make use of it (as wee may) in the right of Chri∣stianitie, not in any relation to you, and your errours? So much for you and your Jesuit in the se∣cond reason.

YOur third Reason is grounded upon stumbling blocks, it is no marvell if it * 1.55 fall: Those, you say, are laid by the Liturgie; and I say, removed by many: So yee know they are by Hooker, Abbot, Hutton, Morton, Burges, Covell, and I know not how many others; amongst the rest I stumbled upon a blinde man, whose inward sight abundant∣ly supplyed the want of his bodily eyes; who

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hath in many of those points given, in my o∣pinion, very cleare satisfaction; but sure you could not suppose me so weak, as to imagine that his lack of eyes could exempt him from errour; although divers of your exceptions are (if they were worth our insisting upon) more groundlesse then his tenets; But whiles I allowed many of his passages, I never meant to justifie all: It is far from mee to ex∣cuse, or patronize other mens Paradoxes. We know the old distinction of Scandals, taken, and given; if there be any danger of the latter, it is (I say) under carefull hands to remove it; and, however it pleases you to fall into cho∣lerick comparisons, perhaps those hands which you sleight, may not bee the least active.

To the fourth, which is the Idolizing of the Liturgie, I say truly, Separatists abhorre it for such; never true Protestant adored it for such. Show us the man that ever worshipt the Service-booke, that wee may wonder at that uncouth Idolatrie: Show us the man that holds it the onely worship of God in England, as you unjustly pretend.

I tell you of some others that stick not to

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say, Too many doe injuriously make an Idol of prea∣ching: (Why should you hope I am not seri∣ous in affirming so undoubted a truth?) yet we may not thinke of abandoning it: Even, in coole bloud the argument holds firme, without equalizing one with the other. Some have made an Idol of their silver and gold, must I therefore cast away this metall? You needed not feare that I would speake ought to the derogation from my owne profession; But if I compare Gods ordinance of prayer, with his ordinance of preaching, and this in∣dividuall Liturgie, with that individuall Ser∣mon, I hope there is no danger in that col∣lation.

TO the fifth, The great distaste which these publick prayers meet withall, is truly lamen∣table, * 1.56 and the effect of that distaste, separation: yet more? Let those mis-zealous men who have infused these thoughts into well-meaning soules see how they will answer it in that great day, to the Judge of the quick and dead; surely, if the case were mine, I should feare it would fall heavie upon my soule; for, if it be granted, that there are divers passages in our

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Liturgie faulty, and worthy of correction, yet no wise enemie can say, they are so hai∣nous, that they barre all Communion: Did they containe heresie, or blasphemie, wee could but separate from their use; now, their separation can no more be without our pitie, then without their owne sinne: Your argu∣ment hence inferred, that the partition wall of our offensive Liturgie should bee removed, because some brain-sick men (for that title is here mere∣ly your owne, not mine) are scandalized there∣by, will no lesse hold, if this our Liturgie were either altered, or abolished: for, are there not thousands that professe to bee no lesse scandalized with any set formes what∣soever? So then, if wee have any prescribed, or stinted devotions at all, the partition wall stands still; and if that should be demolished, how many more, and more considerable thousands doe ye thinke, would be scandali∣zed with the want of those holy formes, whereto they have beene so long, and so be∣neficially inured? Here is therefore a scandall on both parts, vnavoidable; and it will bee our wisedome and pietie, to fall upon the least. You say, ye thinke, nay, you know that some

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few Prelates, by their over-rigorous pressing of the Service-booke, and Ceremonies, have made more Se∣paratists, then all the Preachers dis-affected to the Ce∣remonies in England: I examine not the truth of your confident assertion; but will you to di∣stinguish betwixt causes and occasions: The ri∣gour of those few Prelates might be the occa∣sion; but the mis-perswasions of those dis-affe∣cted Preachers were the causes of this wofull separation: Both might unhappily concurre to this mischiefe; but those more, who are the direct and immediate agents in so bad a service.

YOur last Reason is so sleightly enforced, * 1.57 that it merits rather pitie then refutati∣on; I doe justly averre that, There is no reason why difference in Liturgies should breed dis-union betweene Churches; or why union in religion should binde us to the same Liturgies; distinguishing (as I ought) betwixt Essentiall points, and mere outward Formalities. How faintly you reply, that, [It is true, every difference in Liturgies doth not necessitate a dis-union of Churches: But here the difference is too large to be covered with a few fig-leaves!] Grant it to be larger then it is; is

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it yet Essentiall? The question is not, what may cover our differences, but what may dis∣unite our Churches? It is not formes of Litur∣gies, but matter of obstinate and fundamen∣tall error, that can draw on such an effect: Tell not me therfore, or your Reader, of some Ceremonies of ours, that will not downe with other reformed Churches; when yee may, as good cheape, heare of some fashions of theirs, which will not downe with us: It is good reason, that as we give, so we should take liberty in things indifferent; without any reciprocall dislike. As for precedency of time in our Liturgie, and of dignity in our Church, they may well have this operation with us, that our Liturgie could not conform to that which had no being; and that other Churches should rather conforme to ours, which was ever noted for more noble, and eminent. You desire not to eclipse the glory of this Church, as you professe; yet you are willing to over-shadow it somewhat darkely; whiles you can say, Our first reformation was onely in Doctrine, theirs in Doctrine and Discipline too: wherein you are double-faultie; first, in imputing a defect to our Church, most un∣justly,

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in the extent of our Reformation. What? Was there no Reformation but in matter of Doctrine? None in matter of Practise? None in Idolatrous or Superstitious rites? None in offensive Customes? None in corruption of Government? None in lawes Ecclesiasti∣call? What call you eclipsing, if this be none? Secondly, in imputing that to the reformed Churches as their perfection, which is, indeed, their unwilling, and forced defect: Reforma∣tion implies the renuing of a forme that once was; now, show us, if you can, where ever in the world, that form of Discipline (whose erection you applaud to some neighbour Churches) found place, before it was in this last age provisionally taken up, by those, who could not bee allowed, with the libertie of true religion, to injoy their former govern∣ment? As for the comparison you are pleased to mention, betwixt the Liturgies of the re∣formed Churches, and those of other Chri∣stians, Grecians, Armenians, &c. wherein you say, If you should set downe what you have read in the Liturgies of those Churches, you beleeve the Remonstrant would blush for intimating, there is as much reason to conforme to their Liturgies, as those

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of the reformed Churches: I must tell you, it is of your owne making, neither did ever fall from my pen; I doe blush indeed, but it is to see your bold mis-takings, and confident obtrusions of things never spoken, never meant: I doe not mention a conformitie to their Liturgies, as equally good; but onely aske, Why wee should be tied to the formes of one Church, more then another, as those who are in∣tire within our selves, and equally free from obligations to any; so as you shut up your first quaere with a mere cavill, and the Rea∣sons whereby you indevoured to back it, are utterly reasonlesse.

YOur second quaere is to seek of so much * 1.58 as any good pretence of reason, yea of sound authoritie; Whether the first reformers of Religion did ever intend the use of a Liturgie fur∣ther then to be an help in the want, and to the weake∣nesse of the Ministers? For first, have they e∣ver professed their whole and sole intenti∣ons, or have they not? If not, how come you to know what they never expressed? If they have, why have you suppressed it? Se∣condly, it is obvious to every common un∣derstanding,

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that there were other reasons besides this, of framing set formes of pub∣lick Liturgies; as, The uniformitie of Divine ser∣vices in every nationall Church, the opportunitie of the better joyning together of all hearts in common devo∣tions, the better convenience of fixing the thoughts upon the matter of a fore-knowne expression: So as this, which you have so groundlesly inti∣mated, cannot be imagined to be the onely reason of prescribed Liturgies. Tell me, I be∣seech you, what thinke you of our Saviours Epitome of a Liturgie, the Lords Prayer? for certainly it was no other; a forme of prayer injoyned by divine authoritie: Was that onely intended to be an helpe in the want, and to the weakenesse of the Ministers? Was it not prescribed for the help of the devotion of all disciples? Your instances are (if it might be) poorer then your assertion. The 23. Ca∣non of the 4th. Councell of Carthage ordaines, Ut nemo Patrem nominet pro Filio, &c. In a care to prevent the dangerous mis-prisons of some ignorant Priests in Africk, in mis-naming the sacred persons in the Trinitie, it charged them not to mis-apply the termes; Therefore all pre∣scribed formes of prayer are onely intended to supply

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wants, or weaknesses, of Ministers: A stout in∣ference, and irresistible. The composers of the Liturgie for the French Church at Frank∣ford tell us, Hae formulae inserviunt tantùm rudioribus; nullius libertati praescribitur: These formes serve onely for the ignorant sort; not prescribing to any mans libertie. What meane you, brethren, to urge so improbable a proof? First this was but a particular congregation, and therefore of no use or validity for the pra∣ctise of the whole Church: Secondly, these prayers, which they set forth, were onely for the private use of Christians; for I hope you will not imagine, that when they say [rudiori∣bus tantum inserviunt, they serve onely for the more rude and ignorant sort of people,] that they here∣in meant to point out the Ministers; so as your very allegation confutes your selves, and seconds me. Your following inforcement in this Paragraph failes of sense, much more of reason; and doth but begge what it cannot e∣vince. You tell mee of thousands, who de∣sire to worship God with devout hearts, that cannot bee easily perswaded that these set formes, (though never so free from just exception) will prove

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so great an helpe to their devotion; I tell you of many more thousands then they, and no lesse devoutly affected, that blesse God to have found this happy, and comfor∣table effect, in the fore-set prayers of the Church. Neither doth this plead at all a∣gainst the use of present conception, whe∣ther in praying, or preaching; or derogate any thing from that reverent and pious esteeme of conceived prayer, which I have for∣merly professed: Surely, I doe from my sould honour both; I gladly make use of both, and praise God for them as the gracious exercises of Christian pietie, and the effectuall furtherances of salvation: there is place enough for them both; they neede not justle each other: And, if experience had not made good this truth of mine to many, the most eminent Divines of these later times (eminent, I meane, not more for learning, then strict pietie) why would they in their prayers, both after, and especially before their Sermons, have confined themselves to a set forme of their own making, without the va∣riation of any one clause, as I can abundantly instance? Certainly, they wanted not that free∣dome

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of either spirit, or tongue which is challenged by meaner persons, but did pur∣posely hold themselves to the usuall concep∣tions, wherewith their thoughts, and the peo∣ples eares were best acquainted.

As for the difference which is pretended in the use of Liturgies in other reformed Churches, which you say doe use Liturgies, but doe not binde their Ministers to the use of them, it will prove no better then a mere Logomachie. In this point, if wee bee understood, wee shall not differ: If, as you explicate your selves in the sequele, out of the Canons and Rubrick both of the Dutch, and Genevian Churches, you meane onely, that the Ministers were not so tyed up to those prescribed formes, that they might not at some times, and upon some occasions, make use of their owne conceptions, you have herein no adversary: Doubtlesse, all Christian Di∣vines have ever had that liberty in all the Churches that have professed the name of Christ; neither ought it, neither can it bee denyed to any, either of theirs, or ours: All allegations to

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this sense, might well have beene spared; wee shall willingly concurre with you, both in opinion, and practise: But, if by this [not binding to the use of a Liturgie] you understand either an arbitrary power not in use in any Liturgie at all, or an absolute re∣lease from any whatsoever usage of their publickly-prescribed formes, and a wilfull rejection of them, as either unfit or un∣lawfull, because set and stinted; none of your cited Authorities, no practise of any well governed Church will counte∣nance so strange a Paradoxe: In this Calvin fights directly against you, whiles hee or∣ders, Ut certa illa extet, à quâ pastoribus di∣scedere * 1.59 non liceat: That there should bee a cer∣taine forme, from which it may not bee lawfull for Ministers to depart: The contradiction whereunto, alledged out of your namelesse Liturgie, of Formulae pro arbitrio, I leave to your owne reconciling.

As for the Lutheran Churches, though they have more superfluitie then want, yet why they should bee excluded out of the List of the Reformed, I know no reason; since, if all Protestant Churches (which

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is the usuall contradistinction from Popish) come under that stile, these are wont to challenge the deepest share in that deno∣mination: Neither is it out of any dis∣respect to the Churches reformed (as your charity would faine suggest) that I say, they are but a poore handfull in comparison of the world of Christians abroad; (I have ever honoured them, no lesse then your selves) but in regard of the paucitie of their Pro∣fessours; Their value is no whit the lesse, because their number is so. One sparke of a Diamond may bee worth large piles of Marble: But I might well argue, that in a point; wherein no judicious man can place an errour, there can bee no just rea∣son that wee should abandon the recei∣ved practise of all the Christian Churches upon earth, for the late institution of a few: If herein I mis-judge, I am willing to bee convinced.

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(upon some great occasions) part of the Liturgie injoyned, makes nothing for the proofe of the proposition, supposed in your Quaere, [That the Reformers of Religion did never intend the use of a Litur∣gie, further, then to bee an helpe in the want, or to the weakenesse of a Minister:] It will be an hard taske to make these two o∣ther then inconsequent: You tell mee of the practise of some stiffe Ordinaries, that have denyed this liberty; and plead, that what some Ordinaries have volunta∣rily yeelded, you cannot be blamed to de∣sire, as a favour from the high Court of Parliament: It is not for mee to returne the answer of my Superiours; but I can∣not but put you in minde, that there is a vast difference betwixt an act of occasionall indulgence, and a constant claime; betwixt a particular dispensation, and an universall rule: Further then this, I prescribe not, but obey. However the state of Homi∣lies and Liturgies bee much different, these latter having been, even from the Primitive times, prescribed to the common usage of the

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Church, which the former offers not to challenge; yet I granted, that, If wee did utterly abridge all Ministers of the publicke use of any conceived prayer, on what occasion so∣ever, the argument might hold force against us. You tell mee of some men that have sacrilegiously done so: I send you to those some men for your answer: The commands and practises of the Church of England are within the taske of my Defence: Let private men speake for themselves. From the Deske you leape into the Pulpit, and tell us, that your argument is as strong against limiting in Prayer, as limiting in Preaching; wherein you are unwilling to know, that our Church allowes equall freedome in both; Who that hath sate within the re∣port of our Pulpits, can but say, that our Ministers doe there ordinarily pray, as free∣ly as they preach? I pray God they may doe it holily and discreetly in both: Whiles they are allowed this freedome in their Pulpits, what inconvenience can it be to be limited to solemne, publick (but sacred) formes in their Deske? We allow both, you would rob us of one, where is the sacriledge?

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So then, in all this eager passage, your Reader sees what fearefull venies you give to your owne shadow; for certainly, you have here no visibly reall adversary: if by a set Liturgie wee went about to infringe all liberty of conceived prayer, you might pre∣tend some ground of a quarrell; but when wee allow, and commend, and practise both, in their due places, where can you fasten?

THe reason is lamentable which you urge in the fifth place, that many denie * 1.61 their presence at our Church-meeting, in regard of those imposed prayers; Our eyes can witnesse (not without teares) the too much truth of this sad assertion; wee have seene, and pi∣tied to see many poore mis-guided Me∣chanicks, waiting abroad in the Church-yards, for the good houre; who, so soone as ever the long expected Psalme calls in to the ensuing Sermon, have throng'd into the Congregation, as now onely worthy of their presence; Alas poore soules, were their knowledge (which they over-weene) but equall to their zeale, they

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would see, and hate their own mis-judge∣ment: In the meane time (shift it how you please) woe, woe be to those teachers that have mis-led well-meaning people, to this dangerous, and ungodly prejudice: It had beene better for them never to have beene borne, then to have lived to be au∣thors of so pernicious a Schisme in the Church of God. I have no reason to ac∣cuse you, whom I know not; although I must tell you, your cold put-off doth little lesse then accuse your selves: For your parts, you say, you professe that you are not against a free use of a Liturgie; Wee thanke you for this favour; what is this but to say, If a Li∣turgie be not left free, wee professe our selves to bee against it, wee animate all others in that profes∣sion?

You are yet more courteous, and tell us, Yee doe not count a Liturgie a sufficient ground of se∣paration from the Church: Marke, Reader, there is fraud in the words; they say, they doe not count a Liturgie a sufficient ground of separation; they doe not say, this Liturgie: such a Liturgie as they could devise, and upon such termes, might perhaps bee no sufficient ground of

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a separation; but this Liturgie of our Church, as it now stands, they doe not undertake for. Speake out, brethren, and doe not smother your thoughts; declare freely to your Auditors, whether the Liturgie esta∣blished in this Church, be such, as where∣with they ought to joyne; and whether that come within Saint Augustines rule of non-scin∣dendas Ecclesias: were you lesse reserved, the Church would perhaps be more happy.

The Remonstrants Dilemma may perad∣venture come too late, when you have fore∣stalled the minds of ignorant men with strong resolutions against all imposed Litur∣gies, but especially our owne: Now, you can confidently say, [The persons concerned will denie, that either the Liturgie is good; or lawfully imposed, if it were good;] and here (for ought I see) they and you are resolved to rest: in vaine shall we go about to make good the Premis∣ses, whiles you have taught them to hold fast the Conclusion: Disputes will not do it; you have found a way that will worke the feate: By loosing the bond of imposition, and taking away the cause of disputes, and troubles of many thou∣sand consciences. Why now, Brethren, I like

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you well; plaine-dealing is a jewell: The way not to be troubled with Liturgies, is to have no Liturgies at all; and the way to have no use of Liturgies at all, is not to injoyne them: as if you said, The way to loose the Gor∣dian knot, is to cut it in pieces; the way to pre∣vent the danger of violating Lawes, is to let them loose, or make them arbitrary; the way to remedie the discontent of Popish Recusants, is to retract the Oath; the way not to be barred by the gate, is to throw open the hedge: Truely, brethren, if this bee the onely meanes of redresse, you have reduced us unto a good condition; it is the established, and (as hath hitherto beene thought) the wholesome Law of this King∣dome, that this (and this onely) Liturgie should be used, and frequented by Ministers, and people; and this hath hitherto been obe∣diently, and peaceably observed: now, up∣on some new exotick scruples, good people are taught to place pietie in the disobedience of those acknowledged Lawes, and nothing will quiet their many thousand consciences, but an abrogation of the good Lawes they were wont to live under. What must the indiffe∣rent Reader needs think of this? The Law is

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the same it was, under which our religi∣ous fore-fathers went happily to heaven; the change is in us. Oh miserable men, whom some few tempestuous blasts from New-England, and Amsterdam have thus tur∣ned about, and made insensible of our for∣mer blessings!

Meane while, that which pincheth you in my Reply, you are willing to passe over in silence. Were the imposition amisse, what were this to the people? The imposition (if faulty) is upon the Minister; how can that more concerne the people, then their joyning with him in an usuall prayer, (whereto hee ties himselfe) of his owne making? If the case bee equall, why doe you not labour to convince your people of so unjust a partiali∣tie; and to reclaime them from so palpa∣ble an errour? the end whereof (without a speedy remedy) can bee no other then that I have most unwillingly fore-spoken, perfect difformity and confusion.

I May not omit to proclaime to the Rea∣der * 1.62 your eminent charity to me, of whom you say, Yea, so resolute he is not to yeeld to a liber∣tie,

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in what is established, &c. that wee evi∣dently see by his answer, that had the reading of Homilies beene as strictly enjoyned as the Booke of Common Prayer, the ablest Minister in Eng∣land, (were the Law in the Remonstrants hands,) must be held as strictly to them, as to this. How now, Brethren? What, in so angry a con∣fidence? On what ground, I beseech you? The Remonstrant is well knowne to have beene as diligent a Preacher as any in your Alphabet; and to bee still (as not yet defe∣ctive in that dutie, so) as great an incourager of Preaching as the best of your Patrons; why will yee thus unjustly raise so envious a suggestion against him? [Hee is soresolute not to yeeld a liberty;] Alas, what power hath hee, to either yeeld, or denie a libertie, who pro∣fesseth (as hee ought) nothing but humble obedience? But when a question is stated concerning the injunction, or freedome of a Liturgie, you may be pleased to give mee leave to defend that part which my con∣science (and I thinke upon sure grounds) dictates to me for a certaine truth: Non eadem sentire bonis, &c. had wont to bee a received

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rule; but, as to this challenge it selfe, might the Readers leisure serve him to cast back his eye upon this passage of my Defence, he shall no lesse marvell at the injustice, then the un∣charitablenesse of it: Hee shall there see with what inoffensive caution I marshall Homi∣lies, and Liturgie in the same ranke; so ma∣king our obedience the rule of the use of both, as that I professe a just liberty yeelded in both; showing, that if Homilies were injoy∣ned to be read, and yet a free use of Preaching al∣lowed, there were no more cause to refuse them, then we have now to refuse the Liturgie, having withall a freedome to our conceived Prayers: In which po∣sition I would faine see what malice it selfe can finde to carpe at.

AS for that strange project of yours, of * 1.63 imposing the use of set formes as a punish∣ment to un-sufficient Ministers, yee might well give mee leave to smile a little at so uncouth a penance, and so unheard-of a mulct; whereat, others, perhaps, will laugh out. You answer mee with a retortion of my owne words, and seeme to please

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your selves much in the conceit, calling the ingenious Reader to record of your owne grosse mistaking: Be this once pleased, Rea∣ders, since you are call'd up, to examine these mens confident fidelitie; I had (as I well might) taxed this rare project of theirs; Yet himselfe (say they) comes out with a project about Preaching, never a whit better, and doth as good as confirme our saying, in the latter end: View the place, I beseech you; see if you can finde any the least intimation of either preaching, or pro∣ject; All that passage is onely concerning pray∣er, the gift whereof, I say, every forward Artizan will be unjustly challenging: Away then (say I) with the booke, whiles it may bee supplied with his more profitable non-sense; and conclude, how fit it is, where is nothing but an empty over-weening, and proud ignorance there should bee a just restraint, a restraint, I say, in a li∣mitation of the formes of prayer; For what should Artizans have to do with prea∣ching? Or what such absurd project is there, in this just restraint? Tell me now, Reader, whether this bee not as like Bellar∣mine, as the man in the Moone: Truely, how

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either the Cardinall came into the line, or the Noble Peere into the margin, he were wise that could tell. What was professed in the hearing of some of you, and some of your Superiours, of a willing condescent to part with that which is indifferent to themselves, if they might bee informed it is offensive to others, must be supposed to import, as a true information, so, a just offence; wherein they should bee sure of the concurrence of some whom you are pleased to censure, as lesse mercifull; then whom, none can bee more ready to make good that of Gregorie, in put∣ting to their hand for the removing of customes truely burdensome to the Church.

Thus you have very poorly vindicated the first part of your Answer concerning Liturgie, having made good nothing which you have undertaken, disproved nothing which I affir∣med: and if (as you professe) your desire was a sincere pursuit of truth, you are the more to be pitied, that you missed it; it is not yet too late for you to recover it; bee but ingenuous, in confessing what you cannot but see, and wee cannot differ: And if you doe heartily

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joyne with me in lamenting the breaches, and miserable distractions of the Church, why should you not joyne with me in the effectuall indeavours to make them up? Why do you suf∣fer your hands to widen that, which your tongues would seeme to close? If peace bee the thing you desire, who is it that hath broken it? Wee are where we were; the change is on your parts: and if there have beene some particular incroachments, and innovations in some few hands; what is that to the whole Church of England? what is that to those, whose procee∣dings have beene square and innocent? Wee hope then that the Worthies of that High Court, the great Patrons of peace and truth, will soone see, and seriously consider where the grief of the Church lyes, and by their wisdoms put a seasonable end to these miserable, and dangerous distempers.

SECT. III.

YOur third Section is nothing but a meere jangle of words; wherewith it was too much for the Reader to be once troubled; for

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whose sake, I shall cut you up short; making it apparent, that my affection to my cause, (however you are pleased to scandalize my discourse) hath no whit transported me to any over-reaching expressions, in lifting up the An∣tiquity, and extolling the universality of Episcopall government beyond truth. That which I spake of the Libellers abroad, your charity would faine have extended to forraine Churches; now, as ashamed of the misprision, you would faine salve it up with a pretended probability of your mis-taken sense: for my part, now that my innocence is cleared, if you can put any ho∣nest colour upon your mis-understanding, I shall willingly connive at it; although I must tell you there is enough dissimilitude in your instance. In what sense you meant the self-con∣foundednesse you impute to me, what matters it to the Reader? such a one you confesse it was, that makes men speake they know not what; It is a faire Livery, and well beseeming the bounty of such munificent hands. I justly pro∣fessed my selfe so self-confounded, as to say confi∣dently, that he is no peaceable and well affected Son of the Church of England, that doth not hate Libels, and wish well to Leiturgie and Episcopacy. Your charity

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(presuming upon advantages) dares to choake me with the name of a Parliament; wherein how you will answer your injurious imputa∣tion to that High Court, I appeale to their Bar. To make the matter altogether envious, you guiltily leave out the first clause, concerning Libels, and aggravate the second; and that which I professedly spake of Complainants, you spight∣fully draw home to the Iudges: whom I must still suppose, you doe hainously wrong, in fa∣stening upon them this bold imputation of ill∣affectednesse to a well established Leiturgie, and a well∣regulated Episcopacie: I beleeve those honourable Peeres, and noble Commons will give you small thanks for this insolent assertion.

What I said, concerning the derivation of Episcopall government from the times of the Apo∣stles, without the contradiction of any one Congregation in the Christian world, I am rea∣dy to make good against all your frivolous cla∣mours; Purposely to lay the ground of a quar∣rell, you intersert, Diocesan; which came not within the termes of my proposition; and to confute your owne addition, tell us how late Dioceses came into the Church, and now will needs inforce me to maintaine what your so

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magistrall power will put upon me: Pardon me, Brethren, I undertake to defend my owne words, not yours: But you say, as good to have said nothing at all, as not this; and, we know what kinde of government it is that the Remonstrant pleads for: I grant, you have reason to guesse it; but what is that to my proposition? Whether they were Bi∣shops of Cities, or Dicceses, or Parishes, or Provin∣ces, that is not essentiall to the question: Neither doe we speake of them, quà Diocesani, but, quà Episcopi: if they were such as were placed in an imparity of degree above Presbyters, and were induced with an eminent power of jurisdicti∣on and ordination, what ever the limits of their government were, my assertion holds good; On this ground well might B. Hall say, that Timothy was a Diocesan Bishop, that is, sustained that place, and did those offices, which his successors be∣ing formall Diocesans, held and performed; This kinde of Bishops, I defend to have conti∣nued in the Christian world unto this age, without the contradiction of any one Congre∣gation; You tell me of Scotland, as if I had affir∣med, that there had beene Bishops alwayes, every where; It is no small wonder to me how you can with such sober vehemence presse upon me

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so impossible an absurdity: when you plainly see, that all I contend for, is this, that there hath beene no time, no age from the Apostles dayes, wherein this forme of Episcopall government hath not been with∣out contradiction continued; Yet your importunity will force a Tenet upon me, mal-grè; and tels me you are sure it is the assertion of Episcopall men; amongst whom you cite D. Halls irrefra∣gable proposition; No man living, no history can shew any wel allowed, and setled Nationall Church, in the whole Christian world, that hath beene governed other∣wise, then by Bishops, in a meet and moderate imparity, ever since the times of Christ and his Apostles, untill this present age; and the like passage you bring out of his Episcopacy by Divine right part 2. p. 110. What can you make of these Allegations? There is no one line in them, which I am not ready to justi∣fie; what one word is here liable to exception? Will it follow from hence, that I affirme Bishops to have beene alwayes every where? You see first it is limited to the Christian world, not the Pagan, and in that, not to every Parochiall Church, but a nationall; and not to every nationall Church, which is in fieri, and inchoatè; (such as that of Scotland in those first times was) but a setled Na∣tionall Church; and to make yet more sure, lest

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any schismaticall company might put in for a share, it is super-added, a well-allowed, setled, na∣tionall Church. I should have acknowledged you brave vindicators, indeed, if now, in the height of your learned valour, you could have choa∣ked me with direct and particular instances of any well-allowed, setled, national Churches in Christen∣dome before this present age, that were other∣wise governed.

IN stead of this you tell me a tale of a sorry * 1.64 quarrell taken up against the Bishop of Pam∣pelona by some barbarous Biscainers; whose rude∣nesse when I proved to you by their Savage de∣portment to their King, you give a very civill and charitable construction of my Marginall, as intimating it no lesse crime to offer an affront to a Prelate, then to a King; Thus love creepes where it cannot goe. But to mend the matter, you instance in the Reformed Churches; they have made contradiction to Episcopal govern∣ment; True, but not till this present age; That period was set before in my assertion, whence now arises your suddaine passion; Sir bethinke you, take up your Remonstrance, reade your own words, mark the Parenthesis: Sir, I have done all this,

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and wonder what it is that you would have me to see, or to say? The words are plaine, with∣out either welt, or gard; say what you would inferre upon them. The limitation of time here (you say) hath reference to the continuance of Episcopacy, not the contradiction of Episcopacy; Certainly, in any in∣different Readers eye, to both: neither doth the verie scope of the place evince any lesse; for could you suppose any man so utterly insen∣sate, as to say; By the joynt confession of Reformed Divines, the Reformed Churches of this age have never contradicted Episcopacy? This were indeed a para∣dox fit for none but a self-confounded man: fasten it upon those that are fit for dark roomes and Ellebore. Iust such another is the next, you say; Such another indeed, as truly affirmed, and as unjust∣ly excepted to: That Episcopall government hath con∣tinued in this Iland, since the first plantation of the Go∣spell to this present day, without contradiction: what talke you of taking in the manner, and salving of credit? as if you had your adversarie at a great advantage: 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, as the Greek proverb is, and as we are wont to say; Here is great cry, and little wooll. For, whereas, the proposition may beare this double sense; The continuance of Episco∣pacy in this Iland, hath had no contradiction; or, There

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hath been no contradiction to the right of the continuance of it in this Iland; at the choice of the propounder, I am ready to make it good in both senses, nei∣ther are you able justly to oppose it in either; I am sure those instances which you bring, out of Wickliffe, Lambert, Richardus de Mediavilla, Oc∣cam, Walter Mapes, Robert Langland, in your next Section, will shrink in the wetting, and come farre short of your undertaking.

BUt brethren, I must sadly tell you, that in * 1.65 your next, and last exception, you have ex∣ceeded your selves in malice; what loud and hi∣deous out cries have you made against me, both in your Answer, and Vindication, for a safe and in∣nocent passage in my Remonstrance? Speaking of the continuance and derivation of Episcopacy from the Primitive times, I had said; Certainly, except all Histories, all Authors fayle us, nothing can be more plaine then this truth: Now comes your cha∣ritable veracity, and, in your Answer (seconded now againe by your Vindication) reports the words thus; Except all Histories, all Authors fayle us, nothing can be more certaine then this truth; and thereupon cry out, Os durum! and descant fear∣fully upon the word, Nothing more certain? What

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Is it not more certaine that there is a God? Is it not more certaine that Christ is God and man? Must this bee an Article of our Creed, &c. Nothing more certaine? Oh that men should not onely forget themselves, but God al∣so, and in their zeale for their own honour utter words bordering upon Blasphemy.

Thus you; whether like sober, and honest men, let the Reader judge; who casting back his eye upon that passage of my Remonstrance, shall * 1.66 well finde that I have used no such word at all, as you have thus insolently and injuriously plaid upon: My phrase was onely, Nothing can be more plaine, you falsifie it, Nothing more certaine; and run strange, and uncharitable descant upon it; such as whereof I think your friends will be ashamed; And when I, not urging the great difference of this expression, was willing to pass it over, with intimating onely the ordinary use of this manner of speech, in our hourely dis∣course, wherein we would be loath to be called to an account of our Creed; yet still, as eager and unsatisfied, in this your Vindication, you re∣double the charge upon me; Wee cry out (you say) of such a shamelesnesse as dares equall this opinion of his, of Episcopall government to an Article of our Creed: When as here was no mention, no

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thought either of certainty, or of Creed; but onely an harmeless affirmation of the cleare evidence of this truth: But I will not stirre this puddle any more; onely beseeching my Reader, by this one passage to judge of the spirit of these men, so set upon detraction, and contradiction, that rather then they will want colours of excepti∣on, they will devise them out of their owne braines, and fasten them where they would dis∣grace.

Lest this place should not yeeld you suffici∣ent ground of so foule a crimination, you flye back to Episcopacy by Divine right, and thence will * 1.67 fetch a clearer conviction; where the Author saith, He for his part is so confident of the divine insti∣tution of the Majority of Bishops above Presbyters, that he dare boldly say, there are weighty points of faith, which have not so strong evidence in Scripture; He said it, and made it good by instances in the same place: Why do you snarle at the speech, and not confute the proofes? Trie your skill in that one particular, the Baptization of Infants; which, I am deceived, if the Church holds not a weighty point of faith; Let us, if you please, enter into a serious contestation; Shew me more cleare evi∣dence of Scripture for this holy and universal∣ly

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received position, and practise, of Baptizing Infants, then I can produce for the Majority of Bi∣shops above Presbyters; till then give me leave to returne your owne prayer; God give the men lesse confidence, or more truth; and let me adde, more cha∣rity; for truly, in whether of these two latter you are more defective, it is not easie to judge; In the meane time you have as much failed in clea∣ring your selves from those just imputations, which are laid upon you, as you have over∣reached in the unjust bespattering of your stanch and innocent adversarie.

ANd now forbeare (if you can) Readers, to * 1.68 smile in the parting, at the grave counsell of our wise Smectymnuus, who after he hath ty∣red his Reader with a tedious volume in answer to my short Defence, adviseth mee very sadly, that my words may bee lesse in number: Yet howsoever his weary loquacitie may, in this causelesse exprobration, deserve to move your mirth; I shall resolve to make good use of his counsaile. Est olitor saepe opportuna locutus. In the se∣quele, my words (which were never yet taxed for an offensive superfluitie) shall be very few; and such as, to your greater wonder, I shall be

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beholden for, to my kinde adversaries: The rere∣ward of my late Defence was backed by the sound testimony of Dr. Abraham Scultetus, the famous professor of Heydelburgh, and the great Oracle in his time of the Palatinate, who in both the Tenets of Episcopacy by Divine right, and the unwarrantablenesse of Lay-presbytery agrees so fully with me, as I doe with my selfe, the grounds whereof, I dare confidently say, are such as no wit of man can overthrow, or weaken: Now what say my Smectymnuans to this? For brevity sake, we will content our selves with what that learned Rivet spake, when these two Treatises of Scultetus were shewed to him, by a great Prelate amongst us, and his judgement required; Haec omnia jamdudum sunt pro∣trita & profligata, All these have beene long since over∣worne and beaten out and baffled. In good time, Bre∣thren; And why should not I take leave to re∣turne the same answer to you in this your tedi∣ous velitation of Episcopacie? There is not one new point in this your over-swolne, and un∣weldie bulk; No hay-cock hath beene oftner shaken abroad, and tossed up and downe in the winde, then every argument of yours hath been agitated by more able pens then mine: Haec o∣mnia jamdudum sunt protrita & profligata; Why

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should I abuse my good houres; and spend my last age (devoted to better thoughts) in an un∣profitable babling? You may perhaps expect to meet with fitter matches, that have more lea∣sure; The cause is not mine alone, but common to this whole Church, to the whole Hierarchy; to all the Fathers of the Church throughout the world; to all the dutifull Sons of those Fathers wheresoever; You may not hope that so many learned and eminent Divines, who finde them∣selves equally interessed in this quarrell, can suf∣fer either so just a cause unseconded, or so high insolence unchastised; For my selfe, I remember the story that Plutarch tels of the contestation * 1.69 betweene Crassus and Deiotarus; men well-stric∣ken in age, and yet attempting severall exploits, not so proper for their gray haires: What, said Crassus to Deiotarus; Doest thou begin to build a City, now in the latter end of the day? And truly, said Deiota∣rus to him againe, I think it somewhat with the latest for you to think of conquering the Parthians: Some witty lookers on, will perhaps apply both these to me; It is the city of God, the Euangelicall Hie∣rusalem which some factious hands have mi∣serably demolished, is it for shaking and wrinkled hands to build up againe, now in the

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very setting, and shutting in of the day?

They are dangerous and not inexpert Par∣thians, who shoot out their arrowes, even bitter invectives, against the sacred and Apostolicall government of the Church, and such as know how to fight, fleeing; are these fit for the van∣quishing of a decrepit Leader? Shortly then, since I see that our Smectymnuans have vowed, (like as some impetuous Scolds are wont to doe) to have the last word; and have set up a re∣solution (by taking advantage of their multi∣tude) to tyre out their better imployed Adversa∣ry, with meere length of discourse, and to do that by bulk of body, which by cleane strength they cannot, I have determined to take off my hand from this remayning Controversie of E∣piscopacy (wherein I have said enough already, without the returne of answer, and indeed an∣ticipated all those thred-bare objections which are here againe regested to the weary Reader) and to turne off my combined opposites to matches more meet for their age and quality: with this profession notwithstanding, that if I shall finde (which I hope I never shall) this just and holy cause (whether out of insensiblenesse, or cautious reservednesse) neglected by more

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able Defenders; I shall borrow so much time from my better thoughts, as to bestow some strictures, where I may not afford a large con∣futation; I have ever held 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, which as it holds in whatsoever matter of dis∣course, so especially in this so beaten subject of Episcopacy; wherein since I finde it impossible for my Adversaries to fal upon any but former no∣tions, oft urged, oft answered, For brevity sake we will content our selves with what that learned Rivet spake of the two Treatises of Scultetus, Haec omnia jam dudum sunt protrita & profligata: with this yet for a conclusion, that if in this their wordy, and wearisome Volume, they shall meet with any one argument, which they dare avow for new, they shall expect their answer by the next Post.

FINIS.

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