A collection of the several books and writings of that faithful servant of God, Richard Hubberthorn who finished his testimony (being a prisoner in Newgate for the truths sake) the 17th of the 6th month, 1662.

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A collection of the several books and writings of that faithful servant of God, Richard Hubberthorn who finished his testimony (being a prisoner in Newgate for the truths sake) the 17th of the 6th month, 1662.
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Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.
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London :: Printed and are to be sold by William Warwick,
1663.
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Society of Friends.
Society of Friends -- Doctrines.
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"A collection of the several books and writings of that faithful servant of God, Richard Hubberthorn who finished his testimony (being a prisoner in Newgate for the truths sake) the 17th of the 6th month, 1662." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A44832.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 7, 2024.

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In the 14th Head, concerning Prayer.

Concerning prayer, we do not contradict the scripture in our practce, J.S. is the lyar herein, who hath made it a subject to treat two leafs upon; for praying in the spirit, and by the spirit, and in publick and private too, we own, and do practice, as is known to thousands; our Enemies can witness for us, and accor∣ding to the scriptures too, and not contradicting to it any way: But this is the offence against him at which he is troubled, that we should deny the prayers of the Pharisees, or of such who are in the steps of the prayers of the Pharisees, viz. who for a pretence make long prayers, and stand praying in the synagogues, who are out of Christs and the Apostles Doctrine, and the prayers and practices of such we do not deny according to the scripture, which saith, the sacrifices of the wicked are abomination to the Lord; and they shall receive greater condemnation who make long prayers for a pre∣tence▪ as it is manifest concerning many in this genetation, and against the praying of the Hypocrites, and of Hirelings, who pretend to pray in love to souls, when as if they had not a great sum of money from the people, would not pray among them, but seek a place to pray at, among such who would give them money and hire; and this praying is for a pretence; and we do deny it in publick, and do not offend God here∣in, though we vex J.S. hereby, because some wil not worship the

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Beast, and bow a hat off, while he is praying in an idols Tem∣ple, which he complains of in J.P. though he himself that, pray hath a cap on; and he confesses himself not wicked mens prayers are accepted, publick or private; and here he hath condemned all his own praying, who confesses he is wicked and sinful, and his heart is old and lying; let all take notice of this, which if he had not confessed it, it is sufficiently proved: Then why shall he ever hereafter be offended, (seeing his prayers are not accepted according to his own confession) if any tell him so, or declare against his praying; and before any can truly pray, they must receive the Spirit of the Father (and them we know who are not led by the Spirit of the Father) them and their prayers are to be declared against by the Saints, and are condemned in the sight of God. And J. S. saith, If this counsel be followed, viz wai∣ting in the Light till the Spirits leadings be known, it makes known no∣thing of publick Ministers, Church-Officers, Baptism, Lords Supper, publick order of prayer, nor of Christ as Mediator, nor of the Spirit of promise &c. The Light that every man hath, makes manifest no∣thing of this he saith; he in this is a lyar, and as landerer of the people of God, who are led by the moving of the Spirit, in the Light of the Word Christ Jesus, that lighteth every man, and owneth the publick Ministry of Christ, which is received by the Holy Ghost, and Church, and Baptism, and Christ as Mediator, and the Spirit of promise, and all these things all the Saints up∣on earth, who have the spirit of Christ, shall witness against J.S. herein to be a lyar of the Light and Spirit of God, and so is a transgressor, and his wickedness may largely be laid open; but the least of the children of Light may see his folly and madness, who also lyingly saith, that Quakers they nourish up people in the Light that every man hath, (which is the Light of Christ Jesus) in opposition to Scripture-Light: This is also utterly false, and a lye, and the Author proved to be of the Devil; for the Light of Christ leads up in the fulfilling of the Scripture, and not in opposition to it; but by his lightness and lyes he is made mani∣fest to be a deceiver of the people; and so take thy own words in thy conclusion to thy self; thou art he that is alienated from the Scripture, and from the Spirit of God also, by thy lying spirit of contradiction, which is manifest in thy Writings.

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In his 15. Head concerning singing, We do not contradict the Scripture; (herein again thou art a lyar) but singing with the spirit and with understanding we own, of such as are redeemed out of the World, and are not of the World; but singing of Da∣vid's experiences, sung in the World by such who are of the World, this singing we do deny, as it is practised in this genera∣tion, in Rhime and Meeter, in a vain multitude of people, where all or most of them do dishonor God in singing Davids words, which themselves are out of the life of, and in a life quite con∣trary; singing the Law of God is dear to them, and that they exercise themselves in it, when every moment of time they are exercised in wickedness, and cast the Law of God behind them; and thus singing lyes, and that which is not true to them, yet in the Name of the Lord. Other Reasons many may be given why we deny singing in this form, and manner, and way, as singing is practised in this generation; but this instance is sufficient to all honest people; but cavillers mouths are not soon stopped, not by the truth: And all J. S. professes as to maintain this man∣ner and practice of singing, are all impertinent; he proves that the saints sang, and were exhorted to it; but what is this to the purpose to prove the World must sing, who are unconverted? which singing we oppose onely, and not the saints singing in 〈◊〉〈◊〉 spirit, who are moved to it by the spirit. O thou lyar! Wher∣fore dost thou say, To be against singing Davids words (by the World in Rhime and Meeter) as we do, is contrary to Eph. 5. Col. 3. doth these scriptures hold forth any such thing, (let the Reader try) as that Davids experiences may be sang in the World in Rhime and Meeter? nay, they do not; and so thou art a lyar on the scriptures, to be taken notice of, and marked for a wrester of the scriptures; and in this we have often declared our minds by words and writings, that poetry, and J. Hopkins and T. Ster∣nolds brain-invention we have denied; yet Davids Psalms w have owned, and do own them, as they were given forth by the spirit of God, and not as they are perverted, and added, and diminished to such a compass of syllables as they are now in practice; and thus I have given you a further testimony for, and against singing, wherein we deny it, and wherein we own it, and so leaves his muddy stuff, and so counts it not worth raking in; onely a lye or two, or more he is proved in,

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as the Reader may take notice also of one thing more, where he charges R. F falsly to speak falshood, for saying the priests of England they teach people to sing lyes in hypocrisie; this they do, and do wikedly in it; and he hath added to their wickedness in denying it to be so; for to all people without exception, they give to sing, I am not puft in mind, nor have a scornful eye, and they ma∣king not exception in giving forth these psalms to sing: Some that they give it forth to, are puft in mind, and have scornful eyes; and these they teach to sing lyes in hypocrisie; to any ho∣nest man this appears true, let J. S. shuffle and twist never so much.

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