Serjeant Thin desired leave of His Ma∣jesty to speak in behalf of the Univer∣sity of Oxford, which he did to the effect following.
THat it was an ancient University, and had as ancient Priviledges, and, by Bals from the Pope; was very exempt from the Visitation of any Arch Bishop as in his Me∣tropolitical Right; for as none can Found an U∣niversity but Your Majesty, and Your progeni∣tors, so none have power but Your Majesty to Visit there. But that which concerneth us is, that it was a foundation long before the Con∣quest; from the time of the very Foundation of this University unto this day, we conceive there was ne••er any Visitation made by any Arch-Bi∣shop, as being within his Province.
Never any, (saith the King:) As the University is ancient, so likewise Our Custom is as ancient, which for many Hundred Years we may prescribe; (the King answered) but a bare Prescription in this Case will not prevail for that positive ••aw and 〈◊〉〈◊〉 of Parliament are cited to the centrary.
We have no records so old, yet this We have divers Reci••als in ••. 3d's. time, which shew∣eth, that they had some original Grant of Ex∣emption. Pope 〈◊〉〈◊〉 8. did grant to the Uni∣versity of Oxford a particular Exemption from all Archie••iscopal Jurisdiction; but I know well that there will be an Objection made that the Pope did grant a Jurisdiction there. This Difference came before the King and the King then did de∣clare, That the Visitation did belong to the Arch-Bishop of Right.
What is that? Did the King declare that it did of right belong to the Arch-Bishop to Visit there? that's very hard for you to answer.
I Object thus against my selfe (to short∣en the Case, for if I do not, they will.) This was in King Rich. 2d's time. The occasion was upon the Question touching Wi••liffe his Case ground∣ed upon a mistaking of the Law. Before that time there was never so much as a challenge to visit this University Metropolitically.
I will not grant that (Mr. Serjeant) that my Predecessor did mistake the Law, perhaps he was mis-informed of the Law.
Pardon me for the Phrase; the King was mis-informed as we conceive of the ancient usage and manner there.
You must suppose the King did know it.
The Arch-Bishop was then a potent man in those days.
My Lord Arch-Bishop doth not intend to Visit the Statutes of the university, nor of any particu∣lar Colledge.
I do intend to Visit Metropoliti∣cally. I am to Visit, as I conceive, the Body of the University, and every scholar which is in it, for his obedience to the Doctrine and Discipline of the Church of England; and this is the extent I intend, and not to meddle with the Statutes of Colledges or University, or particular Visitors of any College.
I do not understand why you do not meddle with that, because it is my foundation.
There was never since the first foundati∣on of this University any Visitation made by any Arch-Bishop; several have been made by the Kings themselves, but never by the Arch-Bi∣shop.
As I remember you did confess he did Vi∣sit once.
No, only an attempt to Visit was made by Arch-Bishop Arundel, who was resisted by the University. I will give up the Cause if he can ever find any Appeal of any Cause to the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury from that Universi∣ty. I find it in Fitz. N. Bre. that the Chancel∣lor of Oxford may certifie an excommunicati∣on. From whom had the Chancellor that Ju∣risdiction, but from the King? then those Acts are not to be Visited by any Power but by the King.
That is no good inference, for every Bi∣shop hath power to Visit.
Since de f••cto the Arch-Bishop did ne∣ver Visit Oxford, but was ever Visited by Your Majesty, or by Commission from Your Majes∣ty, and withal, their Ancient Charters they have lost, which might (if they had them) shew their Priviledge; and since there is so me∣morable a Prescription in this Case for so ma∣ny Hundred Years, wee humbly desire (with Your Majesties Favour) to be still Visited by Your Majesty.
These Exemptions were not to be found in any Nunneries or Priories at the first Foundation,
but as soon as ever they got any Money, they presently sent to Rome to get an Exemption, and then by that means the Bishops lost their Reputations, and so brought down the Jurisdiction of the Bi∣shops, even at the Council of Trent;