A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ...

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A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ...
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Cotton, John, 1584-1652.
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1658.
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Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. -- Independency further proved to be a schism.
Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. -- Inconsistencie of the independent way.
Schism -- Early works to 1800.
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"A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ..." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A34675.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 17, 2024.

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The sixth Contradiction is thus Presented.

6.

Examination is one of the highest Acts of Rule: and therefore cannot be performed, but by some Rulers. Keyes pag. 16.

The Church cannot Excommunicate the whole Presbytery, be∣cause they have not received frō Christ an office of Rule without their offi∣cers, ibid.

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No Act of the Peoples power doth properly bind unlesse the Authority of the Presbytery Joyne with it. Ibid. pag. 36.

6.

If all their officers were found Culpable either in Hereticall Doctrine, Or in scandalous Crimes, the Church hath lawfull Autho∣rity to proceed a∣gainst them all. The Way, pag. 45.

In case of offence given by an Elder, or the whole Elder∣ship together, the Church hath Autho∣rity to require sa∣tisfaction, and if they give it not, to Proceed to Cen∣sure Ibid. page 101.

6.

Excommu∣nication is not an Act of the Power of office, but of judgment, Nor an Act of highest Rule but of supreame Judgment seated in the Frater∣nity. Surv. part. 3. pag. 45.

As a Church of Brethren can not proceed to a∣ny publick Cen∣sure without the Elders so nor the Elders with∣out concurrence of the People, Preface to the Keyes pag. 4.

Answer 1. Here is indeede a Discre∣pance in Expressions between the Way, and the Keyes. But it was not my Act, that any such Discrepance should have been extant. The truth is, That many yeares agoe, (and some yeares before the suppressing of the Bishops in England) I was seriously moved by some of our Brethren, and fellow Elders here, to Draw up an Historicall Narration of our Church-way together with some familiar grounds of the same briefly. In short time as God Helped, I dispatched it, which when our brethren had perused, I saw they did not close with it. Yet a Brother going for England, got some where a Copy of it, and Presented it to some of the Congregationall way there:

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and I afterwards heard, that neither did they close with it: and in particular not with that Passage, which is here reci∣ted, as a part of the Contradiction. Which since appeareth more openly, by the Asterisk put upon that Passage, and upon sundry other in the Book: But before I saw that, and had only heard, That they did not fully Accord, I ho∣ped it had met with a timely suppressi∣on, rather then an impression: for I heard no more of it, for two, or three yeares after: Meane while perceiving That one maine Point of Dissatisfacti∣on, was the Authority given to the Fra∣ternity, I considered more seriously and Distinctly, of the whole Power of the Keyes, and expressed my Apprehensions in that Treatise of the Keyes, which our brethren here did well Accept, and so did the brethren (of like Judgment) in England, and some of them were pleased to Attest it with the Preface which is now extant before it: yea I have heard (as well as some other of our Brethren here) by some letters from England, that

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Reverend Mr Rutherford (who was a great Part of the Assembly at West∣minster) offered to the Dissenting bre∣thren, That if they would come up to the Treatise of the Keyes, themselves would meet them there. But this was sundry yeares, after the Treatise of the way had been finished, and carried to England, and (as I hoped) suppressed. But it seemeth some Brother there, ha∣ving got a Copy of it, being zealous of the Authority of the Fraternity, and Perceiving that their Authority was not so fully Acknowledged in the Keyes as in the Way; He caused his Copy of the Way (which was indeed abrupt in the entrance, and imperfect otherwise) to be Published in Print: which when I saw, It troubled me not a little, as knowing, That the Discrepant Expressions in the one, and in the other, might trouble friends, and give Advantage to Adver∣saries. Afterwards Mr Hooker coming downe from Connectiquol, to consult with the Elders here about his Book; He pleaded seriously for the Placing of

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all Church power, primitively, in the Body of the Church, and also for their Judiciary Power of Censure over the Presbytery, suitable to what I had deli∣vered in the Way; Now, though I can∣not say, that his Reasons did prevaile with me, to lter the Placing of the First Subject of the Power of the Keyes, from what I had delivered in the Trea∣tise of the Keyes: yet Perceiving that some mens Judgments did more Adhere as to his Judgment, so to the former course of the Way: others to that of the Keyes, I suffered both to stand as they did, especially seeing I could not help it, the Book of the Way being published without my Consent; and both the Way, and the Keyes being disperst into many hands (past my Revoking) and Refu∣ted by some; So that if the Replyer find some Discrepancy in one of these bookes from the other, Let him know that the Doctrine of the Way (in such few Points wherein it differeth from the Keyes) was not then mine when the Keyes were pub∣lished, much lesse when the Way was

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published, which was many yeares after, though it had been penned many yeares before. And yet take all the Discre∣pancyes, and weigh them (I will not say with Candour but with Rigour) and I do not yet remember, nor can I yet find any of them, but they lye ra∣ther in Difference of Logicall Notion, then in Doctrine of Divinity, or Church Practise, as I said before.

Answer 2. This further; let me Ac∣quaint both the Replyer, and the Rea∣der withall, that sometimes there hath growne a Question, amongst us whe∣ther all Excommunication be an Act of Officiaria Potestas, or not some Hono∣raria only? If of Officiaria, It cannot be Dispensed by the Brethren only, as the first Columne hath it. If of Hono∣raria, It may, and so the second Co∣lumne hath it: and then the Contradicti∣on is not ejusdem.

Neither is this Censure dispensed by the brethren (as I conceive) one of the highest Acts of Rule (which is to deli∣ver unto Satan 1 Cor. 5. 5.) but Reach∣eth

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only to cast their Elders, out of Ad∣ministration of office to them, and out of Church Communion with them. The Truth is, Ego libenter in eorum me nu∣mero esse Profiteor, qui proficiendo Scri∣bunt, & Scribendo proficiunt; which gave me occasion to Adde the third Answer given above to the first Contradiction, Some things in the way which I deliver∣ed more laxly, I expresse more distinct∣ly in the Treatise of the Keyes which fol∣lowed after: and some things more fully and clearely, in the way cleared, then in either of the former.

Answer 3. When I say No Act of the Peoples part, doeth properly binde, unlesse the Authority of the Elder joyne with it (Keyes pag. 36.) I would be un∣derstood to speak it as I meant it, of the Elders walking without offence; in the Right Administration of their office, and Conversation of their lives.

Answer 4. When Mr Hooker saith. Excommunication is not an Act of Of∣fice, Power, nor of Rule, but of su∣preame Judgment seated in the Fraterni∣ty,

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I easily grant that the Excommuni∣cation dispensed by the Fraternity is not an Act of Office-Power; But it may Justly be Inquired, whether Excommu∣nication, being Dispensed by the Elders with the consent of the Church, be not an Act, as of the Churches honourable Judiciall Power, so of the Elders Office-Power, and Rule in the Church? For as the Pastorall Preaching of the Elders is Officiall, and so Authoritative, though the Preaching of other Brethren (as of the Sonnes of the Prophets) be not so: so why may there not be the like Diffe∣rence, observed here? To deliver unto Satan seemeth to be an Act of Judiciall Office-Power, as when in another case it is said, The Judge delivereth a man to the Officer, and the officer casteth him in∣to Prison Matth. 5. 25. He that casteth into Prison is an Inferiour officer. The Judge must therefore be a Superiour of∣ficer, that delivereth an offendour to the officer, to be cast into Prison. In the Excommunication of the Incestuous Co∣rinthian (where both the Elders and

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Brethren concurred) the sentence might well be delivered in Termes that ex∣presse an Act of highest Authority, To deliver unto Satan. But where the Church is called to Act against their Elders (who corrupt them with false Doctrine) there the Apostle Requireth the Church, to mark them, and Avoyd them, Rom. 16. 17, 18. which may ex∣presse an Act of liberty, and Judiciall Power, but not of Authority.

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