CHAP. 2. (Book 2)
Touching the second Pretended con∣tradiction, with the 3, 4, 5. (Book 2)
The second Contradiction which the Replyer chargeth is delineated in the Scheme thus.
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The second Contradiction which the Replyer chargeth is delineated in the Scheme thus.
2. The keyes are Given to the Church of Belie∣vers, The way pag. 1. that is a combination, of Faithfull. men, as Mr. Hooker. | 2. The key of knowledg belon∣geth to all the faithfull, whether Joyned to any par∣ticular Church or no. The Keyes pag. 11. | 2 The key of know∣ledge is given not on∣ly to the Church, but to some before they enter into the Church, Keyes pag. 2. |
Ans. This terme the key of know∣ledge is taken from our Saviour's words, in Luk. 11. 52. Where he Reproveth the Lawyers, who had taken away the key of knowledge, and neither entred in them∣selves, nor suffered others to enter. The words argue, that the entring in was not into the visible Church: for into that the Lawyers had entred, and were willing to admit others. He speaketh therefore of entring into the state of Grace, and so into the king∣dome of Grace and Glory. The so∣lution then is plaine and easy, The key of knowledge (or Faith) belon∣geth to all the faithfull, whether Joy∣ned to any particular Church or no. For by it they enter into the Kingdome of Grace and Glory. But if we speak
of the keyes of a Particular visible Church, they are all given to the Church or Congregation of Believers.
The third Contradiction is decyphe∣red thus.
3. The key of Or∣der is Common to all the members of the Church: keyes pag. 8. Then say we, to Women and Chil∣dren. | 3 It is not every place, or Order in the Church, that giveth Power to Receive Ordinances, much lesse to Dispense them, as Children and Women, Way cleared part. 2. pag. 19. |
Ans. 1. It hath been Answered a∣bove, that such Generall Propositions hold true, notwithstanding some knowne particular exceptions. It is appointed to all men once to Dye: which is an un∣doubted Truth, though Enoch and Elias never Dyed.
Ans. 2. The Children of Church-members are in Order to Baptisme, but excluded from the Lord's Table. 1 Cor. 11. 28.
Women have some parts of the key of
Order, whereby they have power to walke Orderly themselves, and in a pri∣vate way to help others to walk Order∣ly also, Act. 18. 26. Tit. 2. 3, 4, 5.
Only they have not Power to Admit members, choose Officers, censure Of∣fenders. But if they have any part of the power of the keyes, the Proposition is true, yea and it were true also, though they had been kept from all Interest in the Exercise of the keyes.
The fourth Contradiction is thus laid out.
4. Ordination is a work of Rule. The way, pag. 49. Ordination and Jurisdi∣ction (both Acts of Rule) pertaine indifferently to all the Presbyters. ibid. pag. 49. | 4. As for E∣lection, & Or∣dination of Offi∣cers these things the brethren may doe (if need be) without Officers The way, pag. 45. 101. | 4. Ordination is not an Act of Supreme Jurisdiction, but of Order rather, Hoo∣ker's Survey part. 2. 75. |
Ans. Ordination, They that make the least of it make it an Act of Prayer, & such Prayer, by which the lesse is blessed of
the greater; as it is in all Prayer which is Joyned with Imposition of hands; which Argueth, it is an Act of majority of Power: and majority of Power may without a Soloecisme be called, Rule: though not office-Rule, yet Honoura∣ble preheminence. I no where call it an Act of Supreme Jurisdiction which is that Mr Hooker Denies; and seemeth to Deny it, not Positively neither, but comparatively rather. Ordination (saith he) is not an Act of Supreme Jurisdi∣ction, but of Order rather, then there is no contradiction here. Nor will it be found in the other clause, for though Ordination and Jurisdiction be said (in the Way pag, 49.) to pertaine indiffe∣rently to all the Presbyters: yet that is expresly spoken in opposition to the Lord Bishops, who usurped both into their own hands, as their peculiar preroga∣tive: and though I say, (else where in the Way) that in Election & Ordination of Officers, the Brethren may act (if need be) without Officers: yet the very word of limitation (if need be) Argu∣eth,
that in ordinary cases, ordination per∣taineth to the Presbyters, as other Acts there mentioned doe pertaine to the Presbyters, and Brethren met together: but as for Election, I take it to pertaine principally to the Brethren.
The 5th Contradiction followeth in this sort.
5.
The keye of Authority, or Rule is committed to the Elders of the Church, and so the Act of Rule is the pro∣per Act of their office, Keyes pag. 20. The People discerning, and approving the Justice of the censure give consent and Obedience to the will and Rule of Christ, keyes pag. 15. 37. 41. The People stand in an Order, even an orderly Sub∣jection, according to the Or∣der of the Gospel, pag. 11. | 5.
In case the Officers doe Erre and give effence they shall be governed by the whole Body of the Brethren, The Way, Pag. 100. The Church exerciseth se∣verall Acts of Authority over the Elders, The Way, pag. 101. The People have some storke of Power and Authority in the Government of the Church, pag. 36. They Rule the Church by Appointing their own officers, ibid. pag. 16. |
Ans. 1. The former Columne in all the three Places speaketh of Elders wal∣king in the right Administration of their
office then in Propriety of speech the Key of Authority and Rule is commit∣ted to them 1 Tim. 5. 17. and is there made the proper Act of their office, Then it is that the People Discerning the will and Judgment of Christ in their Judgment, they do give Consent and Obedience to the will of Christ in Cen∣sures Advised by them, Then it is also that they walke in orderly subjection to their Elders, Heb. 13. 17.
But the latter Columne speaketh of the Power of the Church over the El∣ders chiefly in case of the Elders mal-Administration of their office, or mis∣government of themselves. But then the Power which the Church putteth forth, It is not office Power (which is properly Authority:) but Potestas ho∣noraria.
Answer 2. In Columne the second when it is said; The People have some stock of Power and Authority in the Go∣vernment of the Church, Keyes pag. 36. They are the words of an objection, not of mine owne Assertion, And though
some where I speak of Acts of Autho∣rity over the Elders, I do clearely ex∣plaine my selfe in the Keyes (pag. 36.) That Authority is taken in a large sense, and after a sort, when it is Acknowledg∣ed, in the People over the Elders, As
1. When a man acteth according to his owne will freely, he is then said to be 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, Dominus sui Actus, so the People in all the Acts of liberty, which they put forth, they are Domini sui A∣ctus, Lords of their owne Actions.
2. The people by sundry Acts of liberty, (as in Election of officers, in sending forth their messengers, in con∣currence with their Elders, in the Ad∣mission of members, and censure of Of∣fenders, in the Determination and Pro∣mulgation of Synodall Acts) They have a great stroke and Power in the Ordering of Church Affaires: which may be called 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, or Potestas, a Power which many times (in Common speech) goeth under the Name of Rule or Au∣thority. But in proper speech, It is indeed a Priviledge, or liberty, an 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉,
or Power rather then Authority. It is a common speech usuall amongst our best Divines, That the Government of the Church is mixt of a Monarchy, an Aristocracy, and a Democracy. In re∣gard of Christ the Head, the Govern∣ment of the Church is Soveraigne and Monarchicall. In regard of the Rule by the Presbytery it is Stewardly and A∣ristocraticall: In Regard of the Peoples Power in Elections, and censures, It is Democraticall.