some of them coeternall with the Creator, which faith and reason reprooueth) This must wee looke that it bee not absurd for a mortall creature to haue beene •…•…uely from the beginning, and the immortall creature to haue had a tem∣•…•… originall in this our time, and not before, wherein the Angells were crea∣ted •…•…her they bee ment by the name of light, or, heauen, of whom it is sayd, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 •…•…inning God created heauen and earth:) and that they were not from the be∣•…•…g, vntill the time that they were created: for otherwise they should be co∣•…•…ll with God. If I say they were not created in time, but before it, that God 〈◊〉〈◊〉 bee their Lord, who hath beene a Lord for euer. Then am I demaunded, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 they were before all time, of how could they that were created be from 〈◊〉〈◊〉? And here I might perhaps answere how that which hath beene for the 〈◊〉〈◊〉 of all time, may not bee vnfitly sayd to haue beene alwaies, and they have 〈◊〉〈◊〉 〈◊〉〈◊〉 in all time, that they were before all time, if Time began with heauens 〈◊〉〈◊〉, and they were before heauen. But if time beganne not so, but were be∣•…•…uen not in houres, daies, moneths or years (for sure it is that these dimen∣•…•…, properly called times, beganne from the starres courses, as God said when 〈◊〉〈◊〉 them: Let them be for signes, and seasons and daies, and yeares) but in some 〈◊〉〈◊〉 wondrous motion whose former part did passe by, and whose later, succee∣•…•…, it beeing impossible for them to goe both together: If there were such a 〈◊〉〈◊〉 in the Angells motions, and that as soone as they were made, they began to 〈◊〉〈◊〉 thus, euen in this respect haue they beene from the beginning of all 〈◊〉〈◊〉 Time, and they hauing originall both at once. And who will not say that •…•…th beene for all. Time, hath beene alwaies? But if I answere thus; some 〈◊〉〈◊〉 •…•…to me, why are they not then coeternall with the Creator if both he and •…•…ue beene alwaies? What shall I say to this? That they haue bin alwaies, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 that time & they had originall both together, and yet they were created? 〈◊〉〈◊〉 deny not that time was created, though it hath beene for all times conti∣•…•…; otherwise, there should haue beene a time that had beene no time, but •…•…oole will say so? wee may say, there was a time when Rome was not: when •…•…lem was not: Abraham, or Man himselfe, or so, when they all were not. N•…•… the world it selfe being not made at times: beginning but afterwardes, wee 〈◊〉〈◊〉 say; there was a time when the world was not. But to say, there was a time when time was not, is as improper, as to say there was a Man when there was no 〈◊〉〈◊〉, or a worlde, when the world was not. If wee meane of diuers perti∣•…•…, wee may say, this Man was when that was not: and so this Time was when 〈◊〉〈◊〉 not; true. But to say Time was, when no Time was, who is so sottish? 〈◊〉〈◊〉 as we say Time was created, and yet hath beene alwaies, because it 〈◊〉〈◊〉 beene whilest Time hath beene, so is it no consequent then that the An∣•…•… that haue beene alwaies, should yet bee vncreated, seeing they haue beene •…•…s, onely in that they haue beene since Time hath beene: and that because 〈◊〉〈◊〉 could not haue beene without them. For whereno creature is whose mo∣•…•…lay proportion Time forth, there can bee no Time: and therefore though 〈◊〉〈◊〉 •…•…ue beene alwaies they are created, and not coeternall with the Creator: 〈◊〉〈◊〉 hee hath beene vnchangeable from all eternity, but they were created, and 〈◊〉〈◊〉 sayd to haue beene alwaies, because they haue beene all Time, that could 〈◊〉〈◊〉 without them. But Time, beeing transitory, and mutable, cannot be co∣•…•…ll with vnchanging eternity? And therefore though Angells haue no bodi∣•…•… •…•…tation, nor is this part past in them and the other to come, yet their 〈◊〉〈◊〉, measuring Time, admitteth the differences of past and to come: And