Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham.

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Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham.
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1608.
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"Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A18920.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed April 29, 2025.

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THE FOVRTH DIALOGVE, betweene the Flyer and Legatine-arrian. (Book 4)

Legatine-arrian.

DEare Countryman, may I be so bold, as to inquire, where∣fore you came into these parts?

Flyer.

Good sir, to speake the truth, I came from the Separistes in Lon∣don, with full purpose to ioyne with that Church of them, which is in these partes: But meeting with this man, as I came from Flushen where I lan∣ded, and discoursing with him about Religion, I verily resolued to ioyne with him and his Congregation. But perceiuing by your Dialoguizing with him, that all is meere foolerie, to be∣leeue, that either Hee, or Brownist, or Mal-content, is of any true Church; yea, that there can be no Christian com∣munion,

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till a myraculous Ministerie be stirred vp of God, for baptising peo∣ple, and calling them into Christian communion; I herevpon, haue giuen him the bagge. Fish where he shall, he shall haue no Fish of mee. And there∣fore (good sir) seeing it pleased the Almightie to saue mee myraculously from seas (and I perceiue it was, for keeping mee to be instructed of you,) my humble desire is, to vnderstande of you, what a soule is to doe in this case, there being not onely, no true visible Church on the earth, but also, no true visible Christian? I beseech you pray for mee, or else I know not what shall become of mee.

Legat. ar.

Pray for you I may; but pray with you I may not. Prayer with one, is an action of communion, (as for exam∣ple, if I should say, Our Father, Giue Vs this day our bread; Forgiue Vs our sinnes, Lead not Vs into temptation:) this should imply, that you and I were in com∣munion or christian fellowship. But before that myraculous Ministerie (as afore) shall come and gather the

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Gentiles into such communion, and Elias come for calling the Iewes, there can be no such fellowship; and there∣fore no such prayer. When I come at my Chamber, I will pray for you.

Flyer.

I pray you sir, let me next Sabaoth day, haue accesse vnto your Congrega∣tion: for, I doubt not, but you haue some Congregation heere in Zeland.

Legat. ar.

How sillily you speake. I haue all this while taught you, that there is no Church, nor visible Christian in the world as yet; seeing no myraculous Apostles haue yet been sent to Bap∣tize people, and call them into com∣munion, and you talke of a Church. Besides, it is a notable badge of Anti∣christ, for any christian Congrega∣tion, vpon the Sabaoths conuention, (or any other time of the Churches meeting) to admit of any vnbeleeuer or stranger to the fayth, vnto the Pa∣storall exercise: For, is it not written in 1. Cor. 14.22. Prophecie serueth not for them that beleeue not, but for them which beleeue.

Flyer.

Then I perceiue, that all such, as I

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haue left behinde me, haue serued An∣tichrist in hypocrisie; for they suffer any Infidell to come vnto their exer∣cise of Prophecie, or Preaching. But my Countrimen the Flyers, haue here∣in sinned aboue all: for they permit in∣fidelious Marchantes and others, to come on the Thurseday vnto their ex∣ercise of Prophecie, when (ten to one) by reason of some brabling canse then to be pleaded, the Congregation mee∣teth, ayeth, and departeth, without any Prayer at all, or exercise of their propheticall guites.

Legat. arr.

Propheticall guiftes; Propheticall fooleries. Tom Lace-seller, and Abra∣ham Pin-seller (so I thinke M. Henry Barrow spoke in the Fleete) must come out and spatter their meaninges; and this must be called the exercise of Prophecie.

Flyer.

O excellent man of God, I am sory that we be come not into the tayle of Midleburghe: for that will brake off our Discourse.

Legat. arr.

O prophane speach: you should haue sayd, into the Suburbs of Midle∣burghe.

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Flyer.

The word Suburbs, I tooke to be word of Latine, and so, of the Beastes language; which made me to auoyde it.

Legat. ar.

Therein I commende your zeale. For in their Translations, they can∣not be contented to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? but be∣fore it, they must put downe their prophane Latine, Elj, Elj, lamasab∣thenj. Nor can be contented to say; God hath sent the spirit of his Sonne to cry, Father; but they must turne it, Abba father. At Amsterdam I once checked a Preacher that is now in England, for such fooleries; and he sayd, that it was so in the Origenall: but I will neuer beleeue it.

Flyer.

No sir: these limmes of Antichrist are not to be beleeued.

Legat. ar.

Hold you there; and I will assure you to become an excellent Diuine in short time. But we are come vnto the Citie: Where meane you to lodge?

Flyer.

I haue Letters to deliuer vnto some English-factors, and they be to supply mee with necessaries. But tell mee

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where I may find you to morrow mor∣ning, and I will be early with you?:

Legat. ar.

Harken then — come thi∣ther early, and there you shall haue me: But by eight of the clocke, I pur∣pose to set towards Camphere (a league of; that is, some three English myles) and so I will teach you a Mysterie touching Christ, which you neuer learned.

Flyer.

I thanke you sir: and I will wil∣lingly attende.

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