[A notable discourse, plainelye and truely discussing, who are the right ministers of the Catholike Church written against Calvin and his disciples, ... with an offer made by a Catholike to be a learned Protestant ... .]
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- [A notable discourse, plainelye and truely discussing, who are the right ministers of the Catholike Church written against Calvin and his disciples, ... with an offer made by a Catholike to be a learned Protestant ... .]
- Author
- Albin de Valsergues, Jean d', d. 1566.
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- [Duaci [i.e. London] :: Per Iohannem Bellerum [i.e. William Carter],
- 1575]
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- Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"[A notable discourse, plainelye and truely discussing, who are the right ministers of the Catholike Church written against Calvin and his disciples, ... with an offer made by a Catholike to be a learned Protestant ... .]." In the digital collection Early English Books Online Collections. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15978.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 22, 2024.
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mu tato, de vobis fabula narrabitur.
Seing that the saide S. Ciprian doth holde & affirme, that Nouatus oughte to be accompted as no Bishop, be∣cause he succeded no bodie, but rather that he did make himselfe a Bishop, without anye imposition of handes. Then to what purpose, I praye you, are ye of the opinion, that Caluin and Zuinglius are such faithful ministers, considering that they are as far from prouing yt confirmation of their mini∣sterie, as euer was Nouatus. You wil answer me, yt you haue no nede of the impositiō of hāds of ye Papists, super∣stitious Idolaters & Infidels. But this maketh your cause neuer ye bet∣ter: for if you are so scrupulous by na∣ture, that it goeth against your cōsci∣ences to come to kneele to our Bis∣shops, you shuld (I say in times past) haue required your ancient ministers to haue geuē you a warrant for ye cō∣firmatiō of your estate, whē one doth
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demaund of you, since when your re∣ligion begon, you are not content, to claime the beginning from the Apo∣stles, but rather, stepping hardly for∣warde, ye are not content to staye at Dauid or Abraham, but you must nee∣des fetche it from Abell, yea, from A∣dam. And if one should spurre you for∣warde, you would go, I knowe not whether. Then seing that your Churche is so auncient, and that it hath indured till our dayes (if we wil beleeue you) it is not like to be true, that it hath beene destitute altoge∣ther of ministers: for although it be so that God did greatly afflicte the Is∣raelites with the captiuitie of Babi∣lon, yet did he neuer leue them with∣out comfort of good doctours, suche as Daniel, Ezechias, Abdias, and ma∣ny others: Euen so you, that thinke in your owne heades, to be the people of God, I cannot thinke (if it be so) he would so haue geuen you ouer, as to
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want ministers to comfort you in your afflictions, and to ordeyne your ministerie, by the imposition of han∣des, What stayes you, that you doo not go to them, seing that you haue nothing to do with oures? And if you say, that you haue done so, doo vs so muche plesure, as to let vs heare their names, and in what time they did florishe, or otherwise you may pardon vs, if we geue no credite to your fay∣ned imaginations.
Notes
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Cip. 1. epist. cap. 6.