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And if it be shewed, that this is necessarie for the Churche, it can not be but profitable for the common wealth: nay the profit of it may easyly appeare, for that by the censures and discipline of the Churche, as they are in this booke described, men are kept back from committing of great dis∣orders, of stealing, adulterie, murder, &c. whylest the smaller faults of lying and vncomely 〈◊〉〈◊〉, of harde and cholerike speaches, which the magistrate both not commonly punishe, be corrected.
Io. Whitgifte.
If it be necessarie for the present state of the Churche, it is also profitable for the present state of the cōmon welth: for I perceiue no such distinction of the common wealth & the church, that they should be counted as it were two seueral bodies gouer∣ned with diuers lawes & diuers Magistrates, except the Church be linked with an heathenish & idolatrous cōmon wealth. The ciuil Magistrate may not take vpon him* 1.1 such Ecclesiastical functiōs as are only proper to the Minister of the Church, as prea∣ching of the wordé, administring of the Sacramentes, excommunicating, and suche lyke, but that he hath no authoritie in the Churche, to make and execute lawes for the Churche, and in things pertaining to the Churche, as Discipline, Ceremonies, &c. (so that he doo nothing agaynst the woorde of God) though the Papistes affirme it neuer so stoutely, yet is the contrarie moste true, and sufficiently proued by men of notable learning, as Master Iewell Bishop of Salisburie, Maister Horne Bishop of Winchester, Maister Nowell Deane of Paules, in their bookes written against Papistes holding your assertion, to whose painefull and learned writings I res〈1 line〉〈1 line〉rre the Reader, for the auoyding of too muche prolixitie.
I doe not well vnderstande what is mente by these woordes, Naye the profite of it maye easyly appeare, for that by the censures and discipliue of the Churche, as they are in this booke described, men are kepte backe from committing of greater disorders of stealyng, adulte∣rie, murther. &c. whylest the smaller faultes, of lying, and vncomely iesting, of harde and cho∣lerike speaches, whiche the Magistrate dothe not commonly punysh, be corrected: Doe you not thinke the punishemente for stealing, and murther, to be sharpe enough? or doe you thynke that the feare of the Discipline of the Churche will more terrifie men from these vices, than the feare of deathe? Or doe you doubte whether the Ci∣uill Magistrate hathe Authoritye to appoynte anye other punyshemente for these and suche lyke crimes, than is prescribed in the Iudiciall Lawe of Moyses? For thys is nowe called in controuersie, and begynneth to bée table talke: or are you perswaded, that the Ciuill Magistrate eyther maye not, or will not correcte lying, vncomely iesting, harde and cholerike speaches? Or that if these were punished by the Discipline of the Churche, men woulde rather be terrified from the greater crymes, than they will be if they be punished with ciuill correction? Truly I thinke that the ciuill Magistrate hath sufficient authoritie to prouide remedies for all suche mischieues, without altering the state, eyther of the church, or of the cōmon wealth. But let the indifferent Reader iudge, whether you goe aboute to wring the swoorde out of the Magistrates hand or no: or at the least, so to order the matter, that it be neuer drawne out to punishe vice, but with the consent and at the appoyntment of you and your seigniorie.