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The. 3. Diuision.
Ansvvere to the Admonition. Pag. 225. Sect. 2. 3.
You say all these come from the Pope, &c. It is not materiall frō whence they come, so they be good, profitable, & necessarie, for the maintey∣ning of religion, learning, wise & learned men: but I pray you from what Pope came they? or in what time did the Pope inuent them? I tolde you before that such places and Colledges were in Augustines* 1.1 time, & that he both hath the name of M. Deane, and alloweth of his office. If you had redde any auncient learned Authors (as your wri∣tings declare you haue not) then shoulde you finde that Collegiate churches be of great antiquitie, euen since the yeare of our Lord. 235. But what can you speake agaynst Cathedrall churches, which you may not as well speake agaynst the Colledges in the vniuersities? They were not in the Apostles time neyther yet in the primitiue* 1.2 Church: must they therefore now be dissolued? your meaning is be∣like to bring all to confusion and barbarisme.
You say, no reformed church in the worlde knoweth them, wherein I thinke you speake more than you know. Can you name any reformed church that hath plucked them downe? Peraduenture in diuers places where the gospell is now preached, they had neuer such rewards for learning. But what haue we to do in such cases with other reformed churches? we haue to consider what is most meete for this church, and state: & not to follow other, as though we were children: I see no cause why other reformed churches should not rather follow vs, than we them, seing in no respect we be inferiour to them. Well, to conclude, your wordes be but vaine, and your proofes none at all: and therfore I doubt not but Cathedrall churches shall be able to with∣stande both your opprobrious speaches, & the greedinesse of all their aduersaries, so long as it shall please God to blesse this land with so vertuous & learned a Queene, & so wise and discrete counsellours.
T. C. Pag. 164. Sect. 2.
And where he sayth it is not materiall, although these Deanes, Uycedeanes, Canons, Petyca∣nons, prebēdaries, &c. come from ye Pope, it is, as if he should say, that it skilleth not although they come out of ye bottomlesse pitte. For whatsoeuer cōmeth from the Pope which is Antichrist, com∣meth first from the Deuill: and where he addeth this condition (if it be good. &c.) in deede if of the egges of a Cokatrice can be made holesome meate to feede with, or of a spiders webbe any cloth to couer withall, then also may the things that come from the Pope & the Deuill, be good, profitable, and necessary vnto the church. And where he sayth that Collegiate churches are of great annciēcie, he proueth not the aunciencie of the Cathedrall churches, onlesse he proue that cathedrall and colle∣giate be all one. But I will not sticke with him in so small a matter, and if our controuersie were of the names of these churches, & not of the matter, I could be content to graunt his cause in this point as good as antiquitie without ye word of god (which is nothing but rottēnesse) could make it.
This Replie neither answereth directly nor truly, to any thing yt I haue set down.* 1.3 For first it is vntrue that all things cōming frō an Antichristian Pope, cōmeth first frō ye Deuill. I haue sufficiently proued ye contrary in that portion, where I speake of* 1.4 apparel of ministers: an euill man may do some thing that is good, euen as a good mā may do some thing that is euill: & as God doth worke ye good by ye one, so doth the De∣uill worke ye euill by the other. Ethnikes haue made good lawes, they haue appointed stipendes & rewards for learning, & such other like good things, which are profitable & not to be reiected for the Authors sakes, though they were members of Satan.