and cut of from the Churche, do notwithstanding Retinere baptismum, keepe styll their baptisme, (as Saint Augustine sayeth) I sée not howe by any meanes you can iustifie the secluding of theyr chyldren from being baptysed: or if otherwyse I can not sée howe a Papiste beyng conuerted, can bee receyued into the Churche, without he bée anewe baptysed, or howe suche chyldren of knowen Papistes, and excommu∣nicate persones, as haue bene baptised in this Churche of Englande or else •• here, from the beginning of the Gospell to this daye, can be coumpted Christians, vnlesse they be rebaptised.
And concernyng Papistes, whome you haue denyed to bée in the Churche, and to whose chyldren also you here denye baptisme, I wyll aske you but this one question, what you thynke of all those, whiche are not onelye chyldren to professed and knowen Papistes, but baptised also in the Romishe Churche? for if the chyl∣dren of knowen Papistes, may not be baptysed, what shall wée saye of our selues, and of our Parentes and predecessours, who all, or the moste of them were profes∣sed Papistes? is not this the grounde of Rebaptisation, and Anabaptisme?
But that the Reader maye the better vnderstande your erroure, and the rather beléeue it to be an errour in dée〈1 line〉〈1 line〉, I wyll set downe M. Beza his opinion of this mat∣ter, from whome you are lothe (I am sure) to be thought to dissent. In his booke of Epistles, Epist. 10 answering this question (whether the infantes of suche as are excom∣municated may be baptised, and in whose fayth, when as they of whome they are begotten, are not members of the Churche) determineth thus.
God forbidde that we should iudge all one and a lyke of all suche as are not called the members of the Churche, for there are foure kyndes of men farre differing among them selues. One is of them, whiche neyther by election, neyther in them selues are by anye meanes the members of Christe, whome we cal by the worde of God reprobate and the ves∣sels of anger, and appointed to destruction, although many of them sometime in appa∣rance, that is in outwarde profession, yea and a certayne semblance of faythe, continuing for a tyme, wherewith they mocke both them selues and other, are reckened among the mem∣bers of the Churche, of whome Iohn sayeth, if they had bene of vs, they would haue taryed with vs.
The seconde is of those, whiche are chosen in Christe by eternall election, and there∣fore are the members of Christe, yet by purpose onelye not in deede: in whiche sense Paule sayth that he was seuered from his mothers wombe, when as notwithstanding, hee was a long tyme the member of Sathan persecuting Christ: and in an other place sayeth, that grace was giuen vs in Christe before euerlasting tymes: and agayne, that God loued vs when we were his enemies.
In the thyrde kynde wee counte them, that bothe by election and in deede are the sonnes of God, bycause as the Apostle sayth, they are ruled by the spirite of God.
Finally, in the fourth place wee recken those, who whereas they appertayne to the e∣lection of God, and be engraffed in Christ, yet bycause hauing fallen in some thing (as men often doe) they be an offence to the other members, therefore least the wound should bee deadlye, whiche Sathan and the fleshe hath gyuen them, neede a more sharpe remedye, and are therfore excommunicated or delyuered to Sathan, not that they should peryshe (for it is not possible that they should peryshe whiche are the members of Christe) But that god∣lye sorowefulnesse may cause repentance, eyther that their fleshe (that is the olde man) dying, their spirite may be saued in the daye of the Lorde.
These therefore be they whome we call excommunicated, and who for two respectes are not members of the Churche, one according to men, bycause they are excluded from the holy felowship of the faythfull: the other according to God, bycause that saying of Christe is sure, that, that is bounde in heauen, whiche is ryghtlye bounde of the Churche in the earth.
But it is an other thyng truelye to bee bounde in heauen, than to bee cast out of that true kyngdome of heauen, whiche neuer happeneth to anye of the electe. For that say∣ing of Christe standeth, that those shall neuer bee caste out whome the Father hath giuen