The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

T. C. Pag. 130. Sect. vlt.

I haue spoken of this bread before in generall, and if M. Doctor did not disagree with him∣selfe, we are here well agreed. For first he fay the, it skilleth not what bread we haue 〈◊〉〈◊〉 by and by he sayth, that he wisheth it were common bread, and assigneth a great cause, which the booke of seruice likewise assigneth, which is, to auoyd superstition, and it is certaynly knowen by experience that in diuers places, the ignorant people that haue bin misseled in poperie, haue 〈◊◊〉〈◊◊〉 knee∣led vnto it, and held vp their hands whilest the minister hathe giuen it not those only whiche haue receiued it, but those whiche haue bin in the Churche and looked on. I speake of that whiche I

know, and haue seene with my eyes. Another reason is alleadged by M. Bucer, whiche is, that there being some thicker substance of bread, and such as should moue and stirre vp the tast better, the consideration of the mind which is conneyed by the senses, might be also the more effectuall, and so the frute of receyuing greater. By the way note that eyther (*) 1.1 Bucers censures vppon the booke of seruice be falsely ascribed vnto him, or be corrupted, or else were not euen in his owne time here thought good, substantiall and sufficient, when there is some cause by act of Parliament af∣terward found (I meane in the second booke of King Edward) to mislike water cakes, and to change them into common bread. Howsoeuer it be, that circumstance would be well marked, that it was one thing to talke of a water cake in the vse of y^e supper in King Edwards dais before they were iustly abolished, and another thing, now being reuoked, after they were renioued.

Io. Whitgifte.

I am constant and agrée with my selfe in the truth I thanke God for it. I knowe the kind of bread to be indifferents my priuate iudgemēt I haue in my Answer vt∣tered. But in such matters I submit my selfe to the determination of the Church, to whome God doth giue his spirit most aboundantly, so long as it followeth and em∣braceth the truth.

The daunger that you speake of, is in the forme, and figure of the bread, not in the other qualities, nor in the substance: and therfore not perteyning to any thing that I haue spoken. For the question is of leauened, or vnleauened breade, not of roundnesse or squarenesse. &c. Although the forme and figure also is indifferente, and in the power of the Churche to appoynt: wherfore there may no schisme or di∣uision in the Churche be made for it.

M. Bucers censures were vpon the firste booke in King Edwards time, not vp∣pon* 1.2 the second, therefore you are deceiued. The Church hath authoritie in things in∣different to abolish or reuoke as occasion serueth: and therefore that circumstance is not worthe the noting.

Notes

• (*) 1.1

  Or else you speake of a matter you know not.
• * 1.2

  Bucers cen∣sure vpon the first booke 〈◊〉〈◊〉 King Ed∣wards days.