The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

Chap. 4. the. 20. Diuision.

The fourth Reason.

The Ecclesiasticall and Ciuill gouernment maye not be confounded, or be together* 1.1 in one person. But to be a chiefe or a ruler is a ciuil power Ergo it can not be exercised by any Ecclesiasticall person.

The ansvvere of the Bishop.

Bothe these gouernmentes vvere confounded in Moyses: Therefore* 1.2 they may be confounded. And the priestes of Israell had the iudgemente and gouernment of the people. And Sainct Augustine was troubled vvith hearing and determining of causes, as it appeareth by Possidonius.

And vvhere you saye to be a chiefe or a ruler is a ciuil gouernment, nay in Ecclesiasticall causes it is ecclesiasticall gouernment and not ciuil. And these differences of gouernment may not so vnaduisedly be confounded. This is the key of ecclesiasticall correction, and belongeth only to the ec∣clesiastical officer, and to none other. Hereof S. Paule sayth, Seniorem ne corri∣pueris nisi sub. &c. Tradidi illum Satanae. &c. This iurisdiction is not ciuill but eccle∣siasticall, and therefore may be exercised by any ecclesiasticall person.

T. C. Page. 94. Sect. 3.

The answere of the Bishoppe vnto the fourthe supposed reason, perteyneth vnto an other question, that is, whether Ecclesiastical persons oughte to exercise ciuill iurisdiction, wherevnto I will answere by Gods grace when I come to speake vppon occasion of M. Doctors booke of that question. In the meane tyme I will desire the reader to consyder what weake groun∣des the Archebishoppe and Archedeacon stande vppon, seeyng that the Bishoppe of Sarum, being so learned a man, and of so greate readyng, coulde say no more in their defense, whiche not∣withstandyng in the controuersies agaynst Doctor Harding is so pythie and so plentyfull.

Io. Whitgifte.

The Bishop of Sarum hathe sayde muche more than you haue answered vnto:

and in the respecte of the reasons he hath sayde fully inough. You may not thinke but that if he had bin disposed to haue delt of purpose in this cause, he coulde haue sayde muche more. But your secrete and priuie nippes, whereby y〈1 line〉〈1 line〉u 〈◊〉〈◊〉 to the Reader, that he would willingly defende a false cause, shall neuer be able to de∣face so worthie a Prelate. You maye perceiue by this his conclusion (〈◊〉〈◊〉 tou∣cheth you so néere) that he tooke no great care or tyme for answering these weake reasons: for thus he concludeth, I beseeche you to take these sodaine answeres in good parte: As for these reasons, in my iudgement they are not made to buylde vp, and they are to vveake to pull downe. Stultitia nata est in corde pueri, & virga disciplinae fugabit illam. Prouerb. 22. It is but vvantonnesse, correction will helpe it.

Thus haue I answered in his behalfe, who bothe in this and other lyke contro∣uersies, might haue bene a greate stay to this Churche of Englande, if we hadde bene worthie of him. But whilest he liued, and especially after his notable and most profitable trauailes, he receiued the same reward of wicked and vngrateful tongues, that other men be exercised with, and all must looke for, that will doe their duetie. But nowe agayne to T. C.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Quarta ratio.
• * 1.2

  Eius solutio.