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Chap. 4. the. 15. Diuision.
And as for the answere which the Bishop maketh, that in place of Apostles, Prophets, ye giftes of tongues, of healing, & of gouernmēt, are brought in vniuersities, scholes, Bishops & Archbishops: for scholes & vniuersities, I haue shewco they haue bin alwayes, & therfore cannot come in, to sup∣ply the roome of the Apostles & prophets. And whether a man consider the schollers that learne, or the scholemasters which teach, or the orders appoynted for the gouernment of ye scholes, they shal be founde to be rather ciuill than Ecclesiasticall, and therfore can not come in steade of any Ecclesiasti∣call ministerie. If the Bishop do meane that they come in place of the gift of the tongs, and know∣ledge of the Gospell that was first giuen miraculously, I graunt it, and then it maketh nothing to this question.
You haue not shewed that scholes & vniuersities were alwayes in the Church of Christ nor you cannot shew that there were any vniuersities or scholes of Christians in the Apostles time. I am not disposed to contrary any thing yt is alleaged for vniuersities or scholes: neither would I haue you to denie this truth affirmed by my L. of Sarum for it is certeine that God worketh now in the Churche by meanes of vniuersities & scholes, that which he wrought in the Apostles time myraculously, by his Apostles & prophets. And those gifts of tongs, healing, gouernment. &c. which he then inspired at once without teaching, doth he now giue by little & little vsing ye ministery of scholes, vniuersities, & such like: wherfore it is true that the Bishop hath said.
And wheras you say ye scholes whether a man consider ye schollers that learne, or the schole∣masters which teach, or orders appointed for ye gouernment of ye scholes, they shall be founde rather ciuill than Ecclesiasticall: If you speake of scholes in a prophane or heathenishe common wealth, it is true. But if you speake of a Christian kingdome it is most vntrue. For in a Christian cōmon wealth, scholes are the first nurses, that bring vp childrē in ye true knowledge of God, & of his word, & prepare many of thē to the ministerie, both which are Ecclesiasticall. Moreouer if you talke of vniuersities, such especially as be in thys Realme of England, then whether you consider either ye masters, fellowes, or schol∣lers, or rules or orders appointed for ye gouernment of them, they be for ye most parte Ecclesiasticall, and therfore those things make greatly for the purpose, and you haue said nothing that can ouerthrow them.