The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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Io. Whitgifte.

If you had noted my order, and delte sincerely, these wordes of yours might with lesse discredite vnto you, haue bin well forborne. For in this place I onely proue that the ministers may be distinguished from other by a seuerall kinde of apparell. And I aske the question whether a christian Magistrate may appoynt a seueral kind of apparell for order and decencie? Of this apparell whiche the Admonition calleth Antichristian, I speake a little after. Your so vsuall kinde of reasoning not ad idem, ar∣gueth but lacke of abilitie to answere the present purpose.

The question is incident to my cause: for if the Christian Magistrate haue au∣thoritie to appoynt a seuerall kinde of apparell to Ministers, then it is also lawfull for Ministers to vse it.

You saye the Colledge walles will tell me, that a man cannot conclude from the whole to the* 1.1 parte affirmatiuely. Althoughe my argument is neyther à genere, nor à toto, but ab oppo∣sitis relatiuis▪ (for it is this in effecte, the Magistrate may commaunde it, Ergo the sub∣iects must obey it) yet not the Colledge walles (which be dumbe and can not speake) but the rules of Logike telleth me, that if by the whole you meane that whiche the Logitians doe call Genus, then an argument from the whole to the parte doth firme∣ly holde affirmatiuely, if the whole be taken vniuersaliter, vniuersally, as in this ex∣ample, omne animal est sensibile, Ergo, omnis bomo est sensibilis. Omnis virtus est mediocritas, Ergo temperantia est mediocritas: and so likewyse the Magistrate hath authoritie to ap∣poynt any kinde of habite for order or decencie, Ergo he maye appoynt this or that kinde of habite. If you meane by the whole, that whiche the Logitians doe properly call to tum integrale, as you séeme to doe, then the rules of Logike tell you, that ab omn〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉oto ad partes (excepte it be à toto in modo) the argument is good affirmatiuely, and not otherwise. I am not disposed to boaste of my knowledge in Logike, nor to winne any opinion thereof to my selfe by defacing or contemning of other: But, I thanke God, I haue sufficient to maynteyne whatsoeuer I haue written, and to answere what you can replie to the contrarie. But who would haue thought that this spirite had bin in T C. a man supposed to be so mortified. &c.* 1.2

You answere my question in déede: but as good neuer a whitte as neuer a deale the better. For in suche sorte you giue the Magistrate authoritie to commaunde some kinde of apparell to the Minister, that he can commaunde none vnto him,

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whatsoeuer it be, without some iniurie done to the Minister: whiche is a verye straunge answere. For first it restrayneth the Magistrate from hauing authoritie to 〈◊〉〈◊〉 any kinde of apparell: for suche (you saye) it maye be, that the Minister maye re∣fuse it: Then dothe it accuse the Magistrate of doing iniurie, if he appoynte euen that kinde of apparell that he maye lawfully doe. For you saye, whatsoeuer apparell it be, this commaundement can not be without some iniurie done to the Minister. This is a very nyce authoritie giuen to the Magistrate: but let the Reader well consider your wordes, and marke what authoritie you giue to Magistrates. One reason whereby you woulde proue that the Magistrate do〈1 line〉〈1 line〉he the Minister iniurie, if he com∣maunde him to weare that kinde of apparell, whiche is lawfull to be commaun∣ded, is this: the Magistrate dothe allowe of him as a wise, learned, and discrete man. &c. and therefore it were somewhat harde not to trust him with the appoynting of his owne apparell. &c. First, it is not true, that the Magistrate dothe allowe of him. &c. For you wyll haue him chosen by the Parishe, and the Magistrate can not knowe what kinde of Mini∣sters euery Parishe dothe choose. Secondly, if the Magistrate allowe of him, it is vpon condition that he be obedient to his lawes. Thirdly, the Magistrate may be decey∣ued in him, and take him for another manner of man than he is. Laste of all, howe wyse, howe learned, howe discrete soeuer he is, yet is it méete that he obey lawes, and be subiecte vnto good orders. May not other learned, wyse, and discrete men, alleadge this for them selues also, and say, that they be able to gouerne themselues, what néede they lyke children be prescribed what to doe? And vndoubtedly at this day this is the voyce of diuers: and this lesson of libertie belike they haue learned of you.

I doe moste humbly desire those that haue the care of this common wealthe, but* 1.3 to consider what lyeth hidde euen in these your wordes vttered in this place, they will then no doubte vnderstande that you séeke fréedome from all lawes of Prin∣ces, and imagine that suche perfection maye be in men, that they shall not néede to be gouerned by ciuill lawes, but euery man to be a lawe to him selfe.

And héere your subtile dealing is worthy to be noted (whiche is very vsu∣all with you) in altering the case: for whereas the kynde of apparell is appoyn∣ted to be a distinction from other men, and an externall note of their calling, as it is in other sortes of men, as Iudges, Sergeantes, Aldermen. &c. you (as though〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 you knewe not this) make your Reader beléeue, that the Magistrate in appoyn∣ting apparell dothe mistrust the Ministers discretion, in wearing his owne geare come∣ly, and in order: as if the meaning of the Magistrates commaundement héerein, were, that Ministers shoulde not goe eyther dissolutely, or disorderly, and not ra∣ther that all Ministers shoulde vse that fourme of decent apparell, whereby they mighte in one vniforme order agrée ámongest them selues, and differ from other states of people in hir Dominions. If you ment vprightly, you woulde not so often deale in this order.

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