The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

Chap. 1. the. 9. Diuision.

Ansvvere to the Admonition. Pag. 77. Sect. 2.

If you had vsed moe reasons, I would haue answered them, what

certaine cure had Paule, Barnabas, Philip, Epaphroditus, Andronicus, Iunius, & yet they were not of the twelue Apostles? It is a straunge doctrine to teache that a man may not preache out of his owne cure: It is more straunge to say, that it is not lawfull for him to preache, except he haue some pastorall cure, beyng of him selfe able to liue, and not minding to be burdensome to the Churche? If you seeke for any text in the scripture to confirme this doctrine, you can finde none: if you seke for examples to the contrarie, you shall finde plentie.

T. C. Pag. 44. Sect. 2. 3. 4.

But you aske what place Paule and Barnabas had appoynted them. What meane you ther∣by to conclude, that bycause Paule and Barnabas the Apostles had no place appoynted them, ther∣fore a Pastor or Bishop shoulde not? when this is one difference betwene the Apostle and By∣shop, that the one hath no certaine place appoynted, and the other hath. But I thinke I smell out your meaning, which is, that we may make Apostles also at these dayes, and that that function is not yet ceased, for otherwise your reason is nothyng worthe. Likewyse also you aske of Philip, which was an Euangelist. And so you thinke that these running Ministers are lawfull, bycause they are Apostles and Euangelistes, against which I shall haue occasion to speake shortly after in the. 50. Page. But if a manne be able to liue of hym selfe, and mynde not to be burdensome to the Churche, it seemeth vnreasonable vnto you, that he may not goe aboute and preache throughout all Churches.

Dyd you neuer reade any learned disputation, and that of learned writers in our dayes aboute* 1.1 this question: whether (although it be lawfull) it be expedient that a man beyng able and willing to liue of him selfe, ought to take wages of the Churche, for inconueniences which mighte ensue of taking nothing? I doe but aske you the question, bycause you make so greate a wonder at thys, for I will not take vpon me heere the defense of it, bycause I will not multiple questions.

And why I praye you maye not that manne that is so able, and will be content to liue of him selfe, why I saye may not he teache and be the Pastor of some Churche? Doe you thinke that for hys forbearing the wages of the Churche, he may breake the (a) 1.2 lawes & orders that God hath established?

Io. Whitgifte.

It is a good reason to proue that there may be preachers of the worde, which haue no certaine cure, and doth cleane ouerthrowe your former answere to the place Acto. 1. for Paule and Barnabas were not chosen into any vacant place as Matthias was, and therfore that reason is no reason. I doe not say a Bishop or Pastor should not haue a place appointed vnto them (for I know Bishops and Pastors haue their cures limi∣ted) but this I saye, that some may be preachers and Ministers of the worde, which haue no certaine cure. Neyther is this true that all suche as be admitted to the prea∣ching of the word, be either Bishops or Pastors.

Against Apostles and Euangelistes we shall vnderstande what you haue to saye, when we come to that place.

You aske me whether I euer read any learned disputations. &c. I mighte aske you the same question, for you vtter no great reading here, only you alleage Peter Martyr vp∣on. 1. Cor. 9. where he speaketh little of this matter. For the question is not whether a man hauing a Pastorall cure, and sufficient of his owne to lyue, may cease to take th〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 ordinarie stipend of his Church or no, which is that, that Peter Martyr handleth in that place, and wherof he maketh this resolution, that he should doe that therein, that maye most profitte the Church, and further the Gospell, and yet to be most expedient to take the accustomed stipend, although S. Ambrose Lib. 1. off. cap. 36. and diuerse other be of the con∣trarie iudgement. But this is our controuersie, whether a man hauing sufficient to lyue of by him selfe, may not be admitted to the preaching of the Gospell, excepte he haue some Pastorall cure. S. Paule in that Chapter gloryeth that he tooke nothing of the Corinthians, & Peter Martyr in the same place sayth that Paule would take nothing* 1.3 that he might the more freely reprehend.

You aske me also why that man, that is so able, and will be content, may not teach, and be the Pastor of a Church. &c. I answere, that he may and if he will. But I aske you agayne,

what if he be perswaded that he shall doe more good, by going to suche places, where there is greater want of preaching? What lawe or order is there established by God to the contrarie? where is that law or that order? Set it truely downe, and I yelde vnto it: else can I not but dissent from you, séeyng I sée manifest examples in the Scripture to the contrarie: and euē your owne example, also in your owne person, which ought to haue moued you to a publike confession, if you haue all this while vsurped an vn∣lawfull vocation: as certeinly you haue done, if this your assertion be true.

Notes

• * 1.1

  P. Marty〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 vpon the 1. Cor. 9. thinketh it more expe∣dient for one to take vvages of the Church although he be able to liue of him selfe.
• (a) 1.2

  What lawes & orders, where are they establi shed.
• * 1.3

  P. Martyr in 1. Cor. 9.