The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

Io. Whitgifte.

Shew me one Father that denieth that, which I héere affirme: if you neyther doe, nor can, then may my skill in the Fathers, and reading also be as muche (for any thing héere to the contrarie) as you thinke I woulde haue it séeme to be. But I will not followe you in your vayne of gybing. I had cited before Chrysostome and Am∣brose, for the same purpose, so that my witnesses be thrée, and therefore sufficient, except you wil make some lawfull exception agaynst them: but bicause you may vn∣derstande that I haue plentie and store sufficient, I will rehearse but one sentence vnto you of M. Caluines, in his Institu. Cap. 8. Ordinari Episcopos à suis Metropolitis, iubent* 1.1 omnes veteres Synodi: All auncient Synodes do commaund that Bishops should be ordey∣ned of their Metropolitanes.

What cause shoulde I haue thus to reporte Hieromes words, to proue such diffe∣rence betwixte the Bishop and other Ministers, séeing that dothe not perteyne to this place: and agayne, considering that I haue at large proued the same in another place? Are you so dull of vnderstanding as you would séeme to be? doe not bothe the wordes that goe before, and those that followe also, declare my purpose in vsing that place? I doe not translate Hieromes wordes, but I declare Hieromes meaning: and if the offence be in this, that I say a bishop doth excel al other ministers, then dothe your owne Author Illiricus (out of whome you haue verbatim borrowed so muche) and the other writers of the Centu. offende also: for thus he sayth: Ordinatio ministrorum propria erat Episcopi, quo solo iure caeteris sacerdotibus praestantiorem esse Episco∣pum* 1.2 Hieronymus scripsit ad Euagrium: The ordeyning of Ministers was proper vnto the Bi∣shop, by the whiche (as Hierome wrote vnto Euagrius) a Bishop onely excelleth other priestes: out of whom as I haue borrowed this worde excell, so haue you borrowed also this word onely: for the words of Hierome be these: quid enim facit excepta ordina∣tione* 1.3 Episcopus, quod presbyter non facit: VVhat dothe a Bishop, whiche a Minister dothe not, excepte ordination? Whereby he manyfestly affirmeth as muche as I in

this place require: that is, that the right of ordering Ministers doth ap∣perteyne to the Bishop. The same also Chrysostome in the lyke wordes wry∣teth in. 1. Ti. 3.

Touching the difference betwixt a Bishop and a common minister, of the superio∣ritie of Bishops, and of their iurisdiction (for auoyding of confusion, where vnto you héere prouoke me) I will speake when I come to that part of this booke.

You saye that this is an euill argument, The Bishop hath the ordeyning of the Mini∣ster,* 1.4 Ergo he hath the election of him. &c. I thinke it is a very good argument, and that you are greatly deceyued when you saye election and ordination can not concurre in one, and the selfe same person, althoughe they maye be distinguished the one from the other. Had not the Master of the Colledge interest in the electing of you when you were chosen to be fellow, and dyd he not also admitte you? was there not then bothe election and admission in one man? And is not the lyke in other degrées of learning? Hathe not he authoritie to electe, that hathe authoritie to admitte, that is, to or∣deyne? or haue you an example of any lawfully placed in the ministerie, without the election and admission of the Bishop? Haue you forgotten what you alleaged* 1.5 before out of the Councell of Carthage, the Councell of Toledo. &c. where it is sufficiently expressed, that the election of Ministers dothe aswell perteyne to the Bishops, as it dothe to the people? And doe not all the examples and places of scrip∣ture that you haue alleadged for your purpose, verifie the same? Wherefore thoughe election and ordination so differ the one from the other, that the one can not be sayde to be the other, yet maye they well be ioyned togither in one subiecte: as Prudence, Iustice, Temperance and Fortitude are, béeing notwithstanding mem∣bers of one whole. But this hathe deceyued you, that you thinke, bicause dyuers mem∣bers* 1.6 of one whole, can not be confounded among themselues, and one verified of an other, therefore they maye not méete togither in one and the selfe same person, whiche is a grosse ouersighte of yours: for take your owne example: althoughe your foote is not your hande, yet (I am sure) you woulde be sorie if one man mighte not haue bothe féete and handes.

But what neede I labour any thing in prouing this: for you your selfe confesse more than I affirmed, and as muche as I require, that is, that election and ordination are sometymes confounded in Ecclesiasticall wryters: And therefore the one taken for the other. I doe not denie but that sometymes also they be distinguished, althoughe the Admonition in this place that I doe nowe confute, dothe vtterly confounde them.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Caluine.
• * 1.2

  Centu. 4. ca. 7.
• * 1.3

  Hie. ad Euag.
• * 1.4

  Election and ordinatio may concurre in one person.
• * 1.5

  T. C. forget∣teth him selie▪
• * 1.6

  An ouersight of T. C.