The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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T. C. Pag. 30. Sect. 5. 6. & Pag. 31. Sect. 1. 2. 3. 4.

Lette vs therefore see youre thyrde: whyche is, that although the Churches consente was then required, yet it is not nowe, and that it is no generall rule, no more than (saye you) that all thyngs shoulde be therefore common nowe, bicause they were in the Apostles tyme.

The authors of the Admenition, with theyr fauourers, muste be counted Anabaptistes, no one worde beyng shewed whiche tendeth therevnto, you muste accuse them, whiche confirme that foundation whereof they buylde their communitie of all things, whiche is one of their chief heresyes. If I shoulde saye nowe that you are lyke to those that row in a boate, which although they looke backewardes, yet they thruste an other way, I shoulde speake with more lykelyhode than you haue doone. For although you make a countenaunce, and speake hotly agaynst Ana∣baptistes, yet in deede you strengthen theyr handes with reasons. But I will not saye so, ney∣ther doe I thynke that you fauour that secte, but onely the whirlewinde and tempest of your af∣fection bente to mayntayne this estate, whereby you haue so greate honour and wealth, driueth you vpon these rockes, to wracke your selfe on, and others.

For I pray you what communitie is spoken of eyther in the two, or three, or fourthe of the Actes, whiche ought not to be in the Churche: as long as the world standeth? was there any communitie but as touching the vse, and so farre foorth as the poore brethren had neede of, and* 1.1 not to take euery man alyke? was it not in any man his power to sell his houses, or landes, or not to sell them? When he had solde them, were they not in euery man his libertie to keepe the money to himselfe at his pleasure? and(a) 1.2 all they that were of the Churche didde not sell theyr possessions, but those whose hartes the Lord touched singularly with the compassion of the neede of others, and whome God had blessed with aboundance, that they had to serue themselues, and helpe others, and therefore it is reckened as a rare example, that Barnabas the Cy∣prian and Leuite didde sell his possession, and broughte the price to the feete of the Apostles.

And as for Ananias and Saphira, they were not punished for bycause they brought not the price of their possessions to the Apostles, but bycause they lyed, saying that they had broughte the whole when they had brought but parte. And to bee shorte, is there any more doone there, than Sainct Paule prescribeth to the Corinthians, and in them to all Churches to the worldes ende? After he had exhorted to liberalitie towardes the poore Churche in Hierusalem, not (say∣eth* 1.3 he) that other shoulde bee releeued, and you oppressed, but vppon lyke condition at thys tyme your aboundance supplyeth theyr lacke, that also theyr aboundance maye be for your lacke, that there might bee equalitie, as it is written, he that gathered muche, had nothing ouer, and he that gathered little, had not the lesse.

Surely it were better you were no Doctour in the Churche, than that the Anabaptistes shoulde haue suche holde to bring in their communitie as you giue them.

In summe the Apostolike communitie, or the Churches in their tyme, was not Anabapti∣〈1 line〉〈1 line〉ticall.

Io. Whitgifte.

I haue shewed before in the begynning of my Answere to the Admonition,* 1.4 not onely howe weake, but also howe daungerous a kynde of reasonyng it is, to saye, that the Apostles did it, Ergo, wée muste doe it, or the Apostles didde it not, Ergo we muste not doe it. Zuinglius a notable learned man, dothe especially reproue the Anabaptistes for this kynde of reason, and sayeth that an argumente, à facto ad ius, or à non facto ad non ius, is neuer good, excepte those examples be groun∣ded vppon some lawe or rule. Wherefore, when I thus laboure to ouerthrowe the vitious manner and kynde of the Anabaptisticall argumente, I truste no in∣different man will suspect me of their errors? when I say, that this is no good argu∣ment: In the Apostles time those that beléeued had all things common among them, therefore Christians muste haue all thynges common: doe I confirme theyr

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heresie of hauing all things common? I knowe not why you shoulde so charge mée with the whirlewynde and tempest of my affection bente to mayntaine this estate. &c. except you be offended bicause I shewe the weakenesse of the Anabaptistes reasons for their communitie.

My honour and wealth is not so muche, but yet I would be loth to haue it common, and you may not blame me though I maynteyne that state, where all men may qui∣etly enioye their owne, without confusion.

I know the Anabaptistes doe not only erre in their kinde of reasoning, but in the right vnderstanding of the Scriptures also, euen of those places wherevppon they frame their argumente. But the texte sayeth playnely, Omnes qui credebant. &c. All whiche beleeued, were in one place, and had all thyngs common. Acto. 2. &. 4. Quot∣quot* 1.5 enim possessores praediorum aut domorum erant. &c. For as manie as were possessours of landes or houses solde them. &c. And thoughe they were greately to be commended in sellyng their landes and possessions, and in so lyghtly estéeming the riches of this worlde, yet it followeth not, that no man can bée a good Christian, vnlesse he followe that example. There are sundrie places of the Scripture that ouerthrow the Anabaptisticall communitie: and therefore howesoeuer they vnderstande these examples, yet can they not proue theyr errour, for it is true that Zuinglius sayeth, Nullius facta iuri praeiudicant, examples must giue place when they be agaynste a generall lawe, commaundement or right.

I haue not spoken one woorde of Ananias and Saphira, and therefore I muse to what purpose you bryng them in: neyther am I agaynste the interpretation of those places of the Actes, yet doe I saye, that no man is bounde of necessitie to fo∣lowe those examples, excepte it were in the lyke tyme, and state. So that if the Anabaptistes bothe erre in the vnderstandyng of those places, and in theyr kynde of reasoning also as they doe in bothe. M. Doctor maye kéepe his Doctor∣ship still, and they be farre enough from their communitie. The communitie that was in the Apostles tyme was Christian, and moste fitte for that tyme, but the same maye not nowe be vrged in the selfe same maner, and forme, without sus∣picion of Anabaptisms. And it is a very good argument againste you: for as the communitie vsed amongste the Christians Act. 2. &. 4. was godlie, and yet not ne∣cessarie nor méete for all states of the Churche, euen so the election then vsed was also godlie, and yet not at all tymes to be practised, but only in the lyke state of time.

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