The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Printed at London :: By Henry Binneman, for Humfrey Toye,
Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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T. C. Pag. 28. Lin. 2. & Sect. 1.

It is as absurde which is brought, to proue that the Papistes which worship God falsly, doe not faulte so haynously as the Israelites did, whiche worshipped the Idols. As who should say, the Iewes, or any other the grossest Idolaters that euer were, did(a) 1.1 euer take those thinges which they worshipped, serpents, oxen, fyre, water. &c. to be God, or knew not the Images, before whiche they fe〈1 line〉〈1 line〉 downe, were wood or stone, siluer and golde.(b) 1.2 And who knoweth not, that they thought that they worshipped by them and in them, the God which made heauen and earthe. The Iewes when they molted a golden Calfe, and fell downe before it, dyd(c) 1.3 neuer thinke that to* 1.4 be God, but sayde that they woulde keepe holydaye to the(d) 1.5 Lorde Iehouah. wherein I will put you ouer to the learned trearises of the godly new writers, whiche doe resute this distinction beeing brought of the Papistes, as a shifte to proue that the Idolatrie whiche is forbidden in the olde Testament, toucheth not them, because they worship God by these thinges, and the Ido∣latrous Iewes and Infidels, worshipped nothing else, nor looked at nothing else, than the bare things before whiche they fell downe. Whiche selfe same distinctiou you bring to proue, that Pa∣pistrie is not so detestable, as the Idolatrie of the Iewes. It may be, that certayne of the Gentiles worshipped by their Images(e) 1.6 Iupiter & Iuno. &c. But you can not shew, that the Israelites euer worshipped any other god, than the true God, so that their faulte was onely, in that they worshipped him otherwise, than he had appoynted. And the Gentils that worshipped many gods, worshipped one as the head and chiefe, and the rest as small companions, and as they termed them, minorum gentium deos, as the Papistes doe God as the chiefe, and the Sainctes as other pettie Gods.

And heere all men may see, what a good proctor you be for the Papistes, both in lessening their faultes, and abating their punishments, and yet will not I say, that you are conspired with them, or haue receyued your fee of them. But if you can shewe where, or in what one poynt, those that you charge with confederacie, haue layde so soft pillowes vnder their heades as these are: they re∣fuse not to be called confederate, and conspired with the Papistes.

Io. Whitgifte.

The distinction betwixte the worshipping of the false gods wholly, and the wor∣shipping of the true God falsly and superstitiously, is not yet by you proued to haue any absurditie in it. But it is great boldnesse for you to affirme, that the Gentiles and the moste grosse Idolaters neuer tooke those whiche they dyd worship for Gods, but that in them, and by them they thought they worshipped the God that made heauen and earthe. For what pro∣phane Philosopher, what drunken Poet, what boy in the Grammer schole knoweth* 1.7 not the contrarie? Was Iupiter, Apollo, Uenus, Diana. &c. Gods or Goddesses that created heauen and earth? or thought to haue made heauen and earth? and yet these and suche like they were, whome the Gentiles did worship euen in their Images. Nay they tooke the very Images themselues sometimes to be their Gods. Dothe not the 115. Psal. Esay. 44. Iere. 10. Baruch. 6. the storie of Bell and the Dragon, and the Scripture in sundrie places else, manyfestly declare it? And did not the Iewes often∣times sinne in this poynt as grossely as the Gentiles did? Looke Iudge. 2. verse. 10. 11. 12. &c. 1. Reg. 18. wherin it is playne, that the Iewes were as grosse in taking those thinges to be Gods in déede, as were the Gentiles. And surely I thinke the places in the Scripture before alleaged, so manifest for the proofe héereof, that no man rea∣ding the same, can any thing doubt of this matter.

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The wordes of the texte doe expresly signifie vnto vs, that the Israelites tooke the golden Calfe to be God: but be it that they maye be taken there metonimically (whiche is but a coniecture) that can not excuse their grossenesse at other tymes, when they were conuersant among the Gentiles, and allured so worshippe their* 1.8 Gods. But this example serueth very well for my purpose, for Aaron dyd not onely make this Calfe, but also sacrificed vnto it, and caused the people to worship it: and yet notwithstanding he was not deposed from his priesthoode, although his case was all one with theirs, agaynst whome you nowe speake.

You saye the people sayde that they woulde keepe holyday to the Lorde Iehouah, and therefore did not take the Calfe to be God: wherein you saye not truely, for those were the words, not of the people, but of Aaron: the people sayde, These be thy* 1.9 Gods, O Israell, whiche brought thee out of the lande of Egypte, so that, that reason may shewe what Aaron thought of it: and this, what was the opinion of the people. I would haue you to deale sincerely in alleaging of the scriptures.

You put me ouer to the treatises of godly newe wryters, which doe refuse this distinction. &c. But you neither name those wryters vnto me, nor let me vnderstande where to finde those treatises, whiche maketh me suspecte that you neyther knowe whose, nor where they be: but the matter is not greate. I doe as muche mislike that di∣stinction of the Papistes, and the intent of it, as any man dothe, neyther doe I goe aboute to excuse them from wycked, and (without repentance and Gods singular mercy) damnable Idolatrie: But yet doe I saye the Idolatrie bothe of the Iewes, and of the Gentiles (for the causes by me alleaged) to be muche greater. For there* 1.10 are thrée kyndes of Idolatrie. One is, when the true God is worshipped by other meanes and wayes, than he hathe prescribed, or woulde be worshipped. The other is, when the true God is worshipped, togither wyth false Gods. 2. Regum. 17. The thirde is, when we worship false Gods eyther in harte and mynde, or in externall creatures liuing, or dead, and altogither forget the worshippe of the true God. All these thrée kindes are detestable, but the first is the least, and the laste is the worste: in the whiche kinde the Israelites sundrie tymes offended, as is manifest in the pla∣ces before mentioned.

The Papistes worship God otherwyse than his will is, and otherwise than he hathe prescribed, almoste in all poyntes of their worship: they also giue to the crea∣ture that whiche is due to the Creator, and sinne agaynst the first table: yet are they not for ought that I can see, or learne, in the thirde kinde of Idolatrie: and ther∣fore if they repent vnfaynedly, they are not to be caste either out of the Churche, or out of the ministerie.

The Papistes haue little cause to thanke me, or to fée me, for any thing that I haue spoken in their behalfe as yet: you sée that I place them among wicked and damnable Idolaters. My defense is of those that haue bin Papistes, and be not, and for no other: for them I speake my conscience according to my poore knowledge, take it as you please.

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