The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Printed at London :: By Henry Binneman, for Humfrey Toye,
Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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T. C. Page. 25. Sect. 5. 6. 7.

And what meane you, still to vse this fighting with your owne shadowe? for where are the words, or what be they that condemne all the ministers for some? that say all the ministers are vn∣lawfully admitted, for some? or that there is none good, bycause some are bad? If there be no suche words, as carrie with them any such sense, then you do wrong to your brethren. If there be words that declare the cleane contrary, then all men see what you be, which although you often faulte in, yet I am loth so often to name and charge you with it. When it is said, that learned and vnlearned are receiued, it is euident that they condemne not all.

The Lord blesse and increase an hundreth fold the godly, wise, learned, graue ministers of this Church, and bycause these words seeme to rocke vs asleepe, and to bring vs into forgetfulnesse of the great ruines and desolations of the Church, I must tell you that two thousand able and suffi∣cient ministers, which preach and feede diligently and carefully the flocke of Christ, were hard to be found in this Church, which haue bin notwithstanding found in the Church of France, by the estimation of those which know the estate, euen vnder the time of the crosse, where there were no such helps of Magistrates, and appoynted stipends, as God be praysed we haue.

And agayne, you are to be put in mind, that a great number of those were bredde in king Ed∣wards days, so that I feare me a man neede no great Arithmetike to count the numbers of suche able ministers, as the late yeares haue brought foorth. And yet I am well assured, that if the mi∣nisterie were reformed, and woorthy men were sought for, there are great numbers of zelous and learned men, that would lay their hands to serue this kind of building by the ministerie. For be∣sides numbers that the vniuersities would yeld, which sighe for the repairing of the decays of the Churche, to helpe forwarde so greate a worke, the Innes of Court, and other the Gentrie of the Realme, Galene, and Iustinian, would bring their tenthes, and (as it were) pay their shotte in this reckening.

Io. Whitgifte.

Their words be playne, for they say whereas in the old Churche a triall was had. &c. now by the letters commendatorie of some one man. &c. whereby they set this time as con∣trary vnto that, bycause some haue bin admitted without triall: and therefore make that fault generall, which is particular, and in very déede condemne all for some. If it were not so, why shoulde either they or you condemne the rule, and not the persons only? why should they say that we haue no right ministerie? why should the second Ad∣monition from the beginning to the end, so raile vpon all the states and degrées of ministers and preachers in this Church, which do not consent with them in distur∣bing the Church, and opposing themselues against lawfull orders and lawes. Looke Fol. 32. of the. 2. Admonition especially, and so foorth, where they speake in most vn∣christian maner. And though these mē in thys place say learned and vnlearned, yet doth it not follow that they condemne not all, of an vnlawfull calling, and of not being tried, and examined as well in life, as learning. But what néede you make such ado in clo∣king a matter to notorious? for what do either they or you, but deface euen the best learned, and wisest of such as withstand you: thinking none sufficiently learned, but yourselues and your adherents?

For the number of sufficient ministers in France, able to preach in the time of the crosse, I will not take vppon me to define any thing: yet haue I talked with some wise, god∣ly, and learned preachers of that countrie, such as had good cause to know the state of that Church touching that matter: and truly for any thing that I can learne of them, you haue ouershot your selfe in reckening at the least. 14. hundreth. But I am not

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curious in matters not apperteyning vnto me, and I write but of credible reporte. God be thanked for the number that they had, or haue, howe many or howe fewe soeuer they are.

Touching the number of preachers throughout England, I cannot write any cer∣taintie, but of this Uniuersitie bycause I haue some experience, you shall giue me leaue to speake as earnestly in truly commending of it, as you haue done in vntruly and vnkindly defacing and slaundering it. The number of knowne preachers, which this vniuersitie hath bredde since the beginning of the Quéenes Maiesties reygne to this time of the yeare of our Lord Anno. 1573. are at the least. 450. besides those that haue bin called to that office after their departure from hēce, and are not yet knowne to me. The number of preachers that be now in this Uniuersitie remayning is. 102. and no doubt but God will encrease the number of them dayly more and more. Al∣though* 1.1 it must be confessed, that the factions and tumults which you and some others haue made in the Churche, do discourage a great number from the ministerie, cau∣seth many to contemne it, and thinke the calling to be vnlawfull, and therefore to ab∣steyne from it. Moreouer I know by experience, that some of you deuise and practise by all meanes possible, to styrre vp contention in this Uniuersitie, to disswade men from the ministerie, to bring such as be sober, wise, learned and godly preachers into contempt, and to make a confusion, and diuide euery Colledge within itselfe. But howsoeuer hitherto you haue preuayled (as you haue preuayled to much) yet I trust you shall neuer throughly bring to passe that which you desire. And I doubt not, but that your vnduetifull, vnciuill, and vncharitable dealing in this your booke, your ma∣ny errours and foule absurdities conteyned in the same, hath so detected you, that ho∣nest, discréete, quiet, and godly learned men will no more be withdrawen by you, and such as you are, to any such schisme or cōtention in the Church: but rather bend them selues against the common aduersarie, and séeke with hart and mouth to build vp the walles of Ierusalem, whiche you haue broken downe: and to fill vp the Mynes that you haue digged, by craft and subteltie to ouerthrow the same. And howsoeuer some will still be way wardly disposed, yet I doubt not, but that if such as be in authoritie will do their duties, they may by conuenient discipline, either be kept within the bonds of modestie, or else remoued from this place, wherein of all other places, they may do most harme.

For the Innes of Court what they would do I know not, howbeit I think very few haue gon from this place thither, whiche had euer any purpose in them, to enter into the ministerie. And surely from that place where I am, I haue not knowne any go to the Innes of Court, in whome there hathe appeared any kind of inclination to the ministerie. What store of fit preachers those Innes would yeld, if your Church were framed, I know not, but I thinke, that some of thē would not refuse the spoile of this. I doubt not but that there are many in the Innes of Courte well affected in religi∣on: God continue them and encrease the number of them, and giue them grace to take héede that they be not seduced by ouermuch credulitie in themselues, and pre∣tensed zeale in others.

What Galene and Iustinian would do, may be doubted, for, though both Galene and Iustinian haue forsaken our ministerie, yet do they kéepe such liuings as they had in the respect of the same, and are so farre from yelding of tenthes, that they can be well content to receiue tenthes.

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