The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

T. C. Page 23. Sect. 1, 2, 3.

(a) 1.1 Where in effecte doe they saye, that the Churche of Englande is voyde of preachyng▪ and ministring of the Sacramentes? is it all one to saye, that the worde in the Churche of Eng∣lande is not purely preached, and the Sacramentes sincerely, and discipline seuerely administred, wyth thys, that the Churche of Englande is voyde of all these? Agayne, where doe they reason thus, that the worde of GOD is not truely preached, bycause the Ministers are not ryghtly proued, and elected, when as they haue not one worde of true preachyng? Is it all one to saye it is not purely preached, and to saye, it is not truely preached? Saynte Paule to the* 1.2 Philipp. is gladde that the Gospell be preached, althoughe it be not purely, but he woulde neuer haue been gladde, that it should haue been preached falsely or not truely. Againe he inueygheth not agaynst the false Apostles, in the Churche of Corinthe, bycause they preached the worde vn∣truely, but bycause they vsyng paynted words and affected eloquence, and makyng a great shewe of learnyng, and tounges, dyd not preache the Gospell sincerely: so that you see that it is one thyng, not to preache truely, and an other thing not to preache purely: and so you see their reason is not so euill, for the want of a good calling maye gyue occasion to saye, that the worde of God is not sincerely taughte, bycause there is not a lawfull and ordinarie calling. For althoughe for the substaunce of doctrine, and the manner of handlyng of it, they that Sainte Paule speaketh to, of the Philipp. dyd not faulte, yet Saynt Paule sayth that they dyd not preache purely, bycause they dyd it of contention, or of enuie, whyche was no faulte in the doctrine, but in hym that taughte. Therefore let men iudge howe iuste your wayghtes are, that expounde not purely not truely, and whyther thys be to confute other mens argumentes, rather than to skirmishe wyth your owne shadowes.

I knowe no Papistes reason thus, that bycause we haue no Ministers, therefore no worde, no Sacrament, no discipline, no Churche, For they denie that we haue the worde or Sacramen∣tes, bycause we holde not their worde and sacrifice: but if there be that so reason, yet these men that you charge, haue neither any such antecedent, or such a consequent. For they neuer sayde that there is no Ministerie in England, nor yet do euer conclude, that there is no word, no sacraments, no discipline, nor Churche.

For in saying that the face of the Churche dothe not so muche appeare (for so the whole pro∣ces of their booke dothe declare that they meane, when they say that we haue not scarce the face of the Churche) they graunte that we haue the Churche of God: but that for wante of those orna∣mentes, whiche it shoulde haue, and throughe certayne the deformed ragges of Poperie, whiche it shoulde not haue, the Churche dothe not appeare in hir natiue colours, and so beautifull, as it is meete she shoulde be prepared, to so glorious a husbande as is the sonne of God. Say you cer∣taynely, and do you beleeue that the authors of this booke, are conspired with the Papistes, to ouerthrowe this Churche and Realme? Nowe certaynely I will neuer doe that iniurie vnto them, as once to goe about to purge them of so manyfest slaunders, nor neuer be broughte by the outrage of your speeches to proue that nooneday is not mydnight: and therefore as for you, I will set your conscience and you togither. The reader I will desire, not to thinke it a straunge thing: for it is no other than hath happened to the seruaunts of God, euen from those which haue professed the same religion, whiche they dyd, as it appeareth in the. 37. of Ieremie, whiche was accused of certayne of the Israelites, that he had conspired with the Babilonians, their mortall enimyes, and layd to his charge that he was goyng to them, when he was going to Beniamin.

Io. Whitgifte,

Who is so blynde as he that will not sée? Doe they not in plaine wordes saye That the outwarde markes whereby a true Christian Churche is knowen, are preaching of the worde purely: ministring the Sacramentes sincerely, and Ecclesiasticall discipline. &c? Is not their whole drifte in the Admonition to proue, That neither the worde is preached purely, nor the Sacramentes sincerely ministred. &c. in this Chnrche of Englande? and what doe* 1.3 I otherwyse reporte of them? be not my wordes playne? where doe I affirme that they shoulde saye that the Churche of Englande is voyde of preaching and ministring the Sa∣cramentes? But let the Reader consider my wordes, and accordingly iudge of your plaine dealing. Where I write y^t they in effect say the Church of England is voyde of these, I am sure you will referre, these, to that whiche went before, that is, preaching of the worde purely, ministring of the Sacramentes sincerely, and ecclesiasticall discipline, &c. neither can you otherwise doe thoughe you woulde wrest my wordes ne∣uer so violently: and therefore that which I reporte of them, is, that they say this Church of England neither hath the worde purely preached, nor the sacramentes sincerely ministred. &c.

I make no greate difference betwixte purely, and truely, neyther dothe it followe* 1.4 that the worde of God is truely preached alwayes when the truth is preached. For as a man maye doe Iusta, not Iustè, lust thyngs and yet not iustly: so maye the truthe be preached, and yet not truely. A man maye doe that whiche is iuste vnwittingly, or for gayne, or for pleasure, or for malice, but then he dothe it not iustly, Quid non ex babitu & animo: Euen so a man maye preache the true worde of God, of affection, of contention, ambition, for profite. &c. but then he dothe not preache it truely. So that your distinction betwixt purely and truely is to no purpose.

Neyther dothe Saint Paule helpe you anye thyng at all, but is cleane centrarye* 1.5 vnto you, for in the▪ 18. verse of the firste Chapter to the Philip. these be hys wordes. 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉▪ &c. whych in the Bible Printed at Geneua is thus translated: VVhat then? yet Christe is preached all manner wayes, whether it be vnder a pretence, or sincerely. So you sée that there is no difference made betwixte sincerely and truely, for the Greeke worde signi∣fyeth truely. And Maister Beza in hys notes vpon the same Chapter and. 16. verse ex∣poundyng 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 not purely, saythe thus Non pu〈1 line〉〈1 line〉o scilicet animo, quùm alio qui pura* 1.6 esset doctrina, to weete, not wyth a pure mynde, seeyng that otherwyse the doctrine is pure. so that these aduerbes purely and truely in this place are referred not to the doctrine, but to mynde of hym that teacheth▪ I woulde wyshe that bothe you and others woulde cease from drawyng the Scriptures to youre phantasyes and affecti∣ons.

That this is one reason of the Papistes to proue that we are not the Churche, by∣cause we haue no true ministerie, I maruell you can be ignorant, séeyng there is no∣thing oft〈1 line〉〈1 line〉er in their mouthes.

Whether the authors of the Admonition reason in lyke manner or no, tell me, when you haue well consydered these wordes of theirs in the Epistle to the Reader. Eyther must we haue a right-ministery of God, and a ryghte gouernment of hys Churche accor∣dyng to the Scriptures set vp (both which we lacke) or eise there can be no ryghte Religion. Likewise when you haue wythoute parcialitie viewed the reste of their booke: Truely I thinke him to be more than blynde, that séeth not thys to be theyr kynde of reasoning. Their meanyng is playne, and the seconde Admonition maketh it plai∣ner, howsoeuer you woulde séeme to colour, and cloake the matter, for what other meanyng can it haue to saye that we haue no ryghte▪ Religion, and to speake so bitterly a∣gaynst the whole forme of the Churche, and the moste of suche things as be in the same?

I doe beléeue certaynely that there is some Papisticall practitioners among you, neyther is it straunge, for so conspired they wyth the Anabaptistes also as I haue declared, and the Anabaptistes hated them, as muche as you, and pretended the sun∣plicitie of the worde of God as muche as you: and bothe in pretence of zeale, of puri∣tie of lyfe, and other qualities, for the moste parte were equall vnto you. And thoughe the Prophete Ieremie were vniustly accused, yet doth not that improue any thing that I haue sayde: for they are not the Prophete Ieremye, neither in person, office, or cause, neither yet haue I accused them vniustly in any thing.

Notes

• (a) 1.1

  Where do I 〈◊〉〈◊〉 that they say so?
• * 1.2

  A cauill.
• * 1.3

  T. C. wil∣luigly peruer∣teth the words of y^e Answere.
• * 1.4

  Purely and truely.
• * 1.5

  1. Phi. vers. 18.
• * 1.6

  Beza.