The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.

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The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.
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Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.
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Anno. 1574.
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Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. -- Replye to an answere made of M. Doctor Whitgifte -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Episcopacy -- Early works to 1800.
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Chap. 1. the syxt Diuision.
Ansvvere to the Admonition. Pag. 21 Sect. 5. 6. & Pag. 22. Sect. 1. 2.

The Scripture hath not prescribed any place or time, wherein or when the Lordes Supper should be celebrated, neither yet in what manner. The Scripture hath not appoynted what tyme, or where the congregation shall meete for common Prayer, and for the hea∣ring of the word of God, neither yet any discipline for the correcting of such as shall contemne the same.

The Scripture hath not appointed what day in the weeke, should be most meete for the Saboth day, whither Saterday, which is the Iewes Saboth, or the day now obserued, which was appointed by the Churche.

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The Scripture hath not determined what forme is to be vs〈1 line〉〈1 line〉d in matrimonie, what words, what prayers, what exhortations.

The Scripture speaketh not one worde of standing, sitting or kne∣ling at the Communion, of meeting in Churches, fieldes, or houses, to heare the word of God: of preaching in pulpets, chaires, or other∣wise: of Baptising in fontes, in basons, or riuers: openly or priuate∣ly, at home, or in the Church, euery day in the weeke, or on the Sa∣baoth day only. And yet no man (as I suppose) is so simple to thinke that the Church hath no authoritie to take order in these matters.

T. C. Pag. 15. Sect. vlt. & Pag. 16. Sect. 1.

But whyle you goe about to seeme to say muche, and rake vp a great number of things, you haue made very euill meslyn, and you haue put, in one, things which are not paires nor matches. Bycause I will not drawe the Reader willingly into more questions than are alreadie put vp, I will not stande to dispute, whether the Lordes day (which we call Sonday) being the day of the Resurrection of our Sauior Christ, and so the day wherin the world was renued: as the Iewes Sabboth was the day wherin the world was finished, and being in all the Churches in the Apo∣stles tymes (as it seemeth) vsed for the day of the rest and seruing of God, ought or may be chan∣ged or no. This one thing I may say, that there was no (a) 1.1 great indgement to make it as arbi∣trarie and chaungeable, as the houre and the place of prayer. But where was pour iudgement, when you wrote that the scripture hath appointed no discipline nor correction for such as shal con∣temne the common prayers, and hearing the word of God? what Church discipline would you haue other than admonitions reprehensions, and if these will not profit excommunication? and are they not appointed of our Sauiour Christ (b) 1.2 Math. 18? There are also ciuill punishments, and pu∣nishments of the body likewise appointed by the worde of God in diuers places (b) 1.3 in the. 22. of Exodus. He that sacrificeth to other gods, & not to the Lord, alone, shal die the death. And in ye (b) 1.4 19. of Deutronomie. Thou shalte turne out the euill out of the middest of thee, that the rest may 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉eare and feare, and not dare do the lyke. The execution of this lawe appeareth in the (b) 1.5 15. 〈1 line〉〈1 line〉. 2. Chro. by king Aza, who made alawe that al those that did not seeke the Lord, should be killed. And thus you see the ciuill punishment of contemners of the worde and prayers.

There are other for suche as neglect the worde, whiche are according to the quantitie of the faulte: so that whether you meane ciuill or Ecciesiasticall correction, the scripture (c) 1.6 hath defined of them bothe.

Io. Whitgifte.

Out of all these things whiche I saye the Scripture hath not prescribed or ap∣pointed,* 1.7 you choose to carpe at first, The Lordes daye, whiche we call Sonday, and you saye, that you will not dispute whether it ought or may be changed or no: when as you should rather haue proued it, to be appointed by the scriptures (which no doubt you would haue done if you coulde) for that is it whych I denye. Where haue you hearde mée say, that it may or ought to bée altered? if you will confute, confute that whyche I haue sette downe and affirme, not that whiche it pleaseth you to imagine.

In good sooth, this is no true dealyng. No maruell it is that you haue not sette downe my booke, séeing you deale thus corruptely with it. I doe not thinke that* 1.8 that whiche the Churche hath once determined, and by long continuance proued to be necessarie, ought to be altered, without great and especiall consideration. I saye with Sainct Augustin Epist. 118. ad Ianuar. If any thyng be vniuersallye obserued of the whole Churche, not to obserue that, or to call it into question, is meere madnesse, ther∣fore,* 1.9 seing that it hath had suche time of continuaunce, that it was for so good and iuste causes appoynted, and is so generallye obserued of the Churche, I doe not thynke it nowe arbitrarie, nor to be chaunged: muche lesse doe I make it as arbitra∣rie or chaungeable as the place and houre of prayer, whiche may be diuers in diuers chur∣ches, and it is among those rites and orders that be diuersly obserued in diuers pla∣ces, wherof also August. maketh mention in that Epistle. Surely as there had bene little iudgement in me, if I had made it chaungeable, so is there small honestie in you to alter my wordes, and to falsifie my meaning.

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Secondly, you myslike that I should say, The scripture not to haue ap∣pointed discipline or correction, for such as shall contemne the cōmon Prayers, and hearing the worde of God. And you aske me where my iudge∣ment was? but I haue more cause to deiliaulide of you, where that learning and skill* 1.10 is which you so muche bragge of, séeing that you so vnskilfully alledge the Scriptu∣res against their true meaning and sense? For where haue you learned that Christ in the. 18. of Mathew dothe appointe any generall rule for publike offences, suche as negligence, and contempt in frequenting publike Prayers, and hearing of the word of God is? The very words of Christ, If thy brother trespasse agay〈1 line〉〈1 line〉st thee &c. do teath* 1.11 that he meaneth not there of open and knowne, but of secrete and particular sinnes. The which thing also the note that is in the margent of the Bible printed at Gene∣ua, myghte haue taught you, if you had bene as well disposed to haue followed the same in this place, as you séeme to haue doone in other places. M. Caluine in his boke agaynst the Anabap. reprouing them for vsing this place to the establishing of their kynde of discipline by excommunication, saythe on this sorte: They are againe de∣ceyued,* 1.12 in that they consider not that the Lorde speaketh in that place of secrete faultes: for as for those, which are manifest and giue vnto the people cause of offence, they are to be corrected by other meanes than by secrete admonitions. You muste therfore séeke for some other place than this, if you will proue that the Scripture hath appointed any discipline and correction for suche as shall contemne the Common Prayers, and hearing of the worde.

To proue that there are also ciuill punishmentes, and punishments of the bodie for contem∣nyng common prayers, and hearing of the worde, appointed by the worde of God, you cite 22. of Exodus. 19. of Deuteronomie &c. But before I come to the answering of these places, I pray you let me aske of you these questions.

First, whether you would haue both Ecclesiasticall & ciuil punishment for the selfe same faulte?

Secondly, whether you woulde haue negligence or contempte in frequen∣ting of common prayers & hearing of the word, punished with death or no? for that punish∣ment is appoynted in those places by you alleaged.

Last of all, whether you thinke the Iudiciall lawes to be perpetual, & to binde the ciuill Magistrate to the obseruing of them, & to restrain him from making any other,* 1.13 as shall be thought to him most conuenient? for except you wil haue two kinds of pu∣nishments for one and the self same offence: except you will punish with death suche as be negligent in cōming to publike prayers: to be shorte, except you will haue the ciuill Magistrate bound of necessitie to practise these iudicial lawes of Moses, (which in déede you affirme afterwardes in your booke) those places make nothing for your purpose. So that you are yet as farre to séeke for Scripture, that appointeth any cer∣taine kinde of discipline for these matters, as euer you were.

But that it may be vnderstode howe vnreasonably you wring & wrest the scri∣ptures, so make them serue your turne, I will in one woorde or two declare ye mea∣ning of those places, and set open the might of your argumentes.

In the. 22. of Exodus the place by you alleaged, the punishment of death is appoin∣ted* 1.14 for Idolaters, whervpon you would ground this argument. God in the. 22. of Exo∣dus appointeth death as a punishment for Idolaters, Ergo the word of God appointeth a certain kind of punishment for such as be negligent in frequenting publik prayers, and contemne the hearing of the worde. I say there is no sequele in this argument, vnlesse you wil make all those that be negligent in cōming to publike praiers, and cō∣temne to heare the word Idolaters, and this to be a perpetuall lawe.

In the 19. of Deuteronomie ther is nothing tending to any such purpose, only in the* 1.15 latter end of the chapter, there is a punishment appointed for him that beareth false witnesse, whervpon these woords, so thou shalt take euill away from the middest of thee &c. by you here alledged, do folow. Now if you will thus conclude, God in the. 19. of Deutronomie appointeth a punishment for a false witnesse: Ergo, the scripture hath appointed discipline for such as neglect to come to publike praiers. &c. then indéed you

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may proue any thing, & it is but in vaine to strine with you. But Lord what gybing & flouting would there be, if I shold bappē to fall into so manifest & open absurdities.

In the. 2. Chro. 15. Aza made the same punishmente for Idolatrie, that is mentio∣ned* 1.16 in the. 22. of Exo. and therefore the same answere serueth that place. Truly I thinke you take your selfe to haue frée libertie to applie the scriptures at your plea∣sure, else would you neuer thus abuse them without all iudgement or reason.

What I thinke of the necessitie or continuance of these lawes, I will declare in a* 1.17 more speciall place: In the meane time, you blow the triumph before the victorie: for as yet, you haue not proued that the scripture doth appoint any certaine kind eyther of ciuill punishment or Church discipline for such as contemne or neglecte the comming to publike prayers, and hearing of the word of God.

You say that there are other punishments for such as neglect the word of God. &c. but you neither tell vs what they be, nor where to find them.

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