A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
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Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 23, 2024.
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ANSWER. [ A]
We retaine both the words, and the sence of the Article, and the Catholicke Church in the Apostles Creed, in respect of the militant part thereof, is a Church of right beleeuers, and especially of iust and holie persons, and principally and in∣tentionally, and as it comprehendeth both the militant and tri∣umphant, the congregation of all the elect; for this Church is the mysticall and liuing bodie which Christ saueth, Ephes. 5. 23. It is the Church of the first borne, which are written in [ B] Heauen, Heb. 12.23. It is the Church builded vpon the Rocke, against which the gates of Hell shall not preuaile a, either by Haeresie, Temptation, or mortall Sinne b, Math. 16. 18. & Math. 7.24. And if it be a meere fancie to hold this, then Gregorie the Great c, with many other of the antiēt Fathers were fantasticks for teaching in this manner. But the Church of the Creed is not alwaies the Church Hierarchicall: for the Church in the Apostles Creed is that societie of Beleeuers, against which Hell gates preuaile not finally, either by Heresie or mortall sinne. But Hell gates preuaile against Popes and Popish Prelats by mortall sinne, so farre, as that they descend into the infer∣nall [ C] lake. Therefore the Roman Hierarchicall Church consi∣sting principally of Popes and Popish Prelats, is not the holy Catholicke Church in the Creed, for that Church hath re∣mission of sinnes, and life eternall, and passeth not into Hell, Ioh. 10.28. August. d. Doctr. Christ. li. 3. ca. 32.
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d Origen. in Math. tr. 1. Si quis fuerit ad∣uersus [ D] quem praeualiturae sint portae inferorum, talis nequè Petra fuerit, super quam Christus aedificat Ecclesi∣am, nequè quae à Christo super Petram aedificatur Ecclesia, &c. Ibidem. Vbi vero considerauimus, quod vnum quodquè peccatorum ob quae Christus iturus erat ad inferos, portae sunt inferorum, compraehendemus, quod anima quae maculam habet, aut rugam, aut aliquid huiusmodi, ac propter malitiam nec sancta est, nec irrepre∣hensibilis, ea neque Petra est, super quam Christus aedificat, nequè Ecclesia, nequè Ecclesie pars, quam super Pe∣tram Christus aedificat. Ambros. in Luc. lib. 2. c. 3. Bernard. in Cantic. serm. 78. D. Rainold. d. Script. & Eccles. Thes. 4. confirmeth the same at large.
Origen. tr. 1. in Math. Vnūquod∣què peccatorū, &c. portae sunt infero∣rum, vna inferorū porta, vocatur scor∣tatio. Cum multae sint, neque recen∣seri numero possint inferorum portae, nulla porta infero∣rum, valet aduersus Petram, aut Eccle∣siam quam Chri∣stus super illam ae∣dificat. Hieron. sup. Math. c. 16. Ego portas inferi reor, vitia atquè peccata, vel certè Haereticorum Doctrinas, &c.
Gre. Mor li. 4. ca. 11. Quid per dies nisi singulae quae{que} Electorum mentes? Quid per menses nisi multiplica∣tae eorū Ecclesiae quae vnam Catholicam faciunt, designatur. Jd li. 28. c. 6. Sanctam Ecclesiam de sanctis in aeter∣num permansuris constructam, nuliis huius vitae persecutionibus superandam, Ipse super quem aedificata est, eui∣dentèr ostendit, cum ait portae inferi non praeualebunt aduersus eam.