A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
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London :: Printed by Adam Islip,
1624.
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Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 22, 2024.
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ANSVVER.
Ecclesiasticall power, to adde, detract, or alter any thing a∣bout Sacraments, is confined to things adiaphorous: and Saint Augustinea, in the place obiected, speaketh expresly of these: but the materiall parts of Sacraments, belong to their sub∣stance, [ D] euen as the matter of the heauens is of the substance of the heauens, and the matter of the Scripture is of the substance of the Scripture.
And if in the holy Eucharist the Element of Wine is not of the substance thereof, then the Eucharist may bee administred without wine; also the kinde of the Element may be changed, and milke or broath, substituted in the place of wine; and the Communion may be celebrated in wine without bread. In all compounded things, the moitie of the matter, is the moitie of the substance: and whatsoeuer Iesuited Romists teach, I see [ E] not how their Laickes can truely say, that they haue at any time in all their liues beene partakers of this Sacrament; for if halfe a man be not a man, then likewise halfe a Communion is not a Communion.
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If they except, That they receiue the Blood of Christ [ A] Consecutiue, or by Concomitancie: I reply, This Answere sol∣ueth not the difficultie, for I dispute of the materiall Element, and the direct receiuing thereof, and not of receiuing the blood of Christ spiritually, or any other way. Now the wine is a moitie of the substantiall outward matter of the Eucharist, and therefore if they receiue not the wine, they receiue not the one halfe of the substantiall outward matter of the Eucharist; and consequently, they receiue no Eucharist: for as the poope of a ship, the prowe being broken away, is no ship; and as halfe a cloake is not a garment to keepe a man warme: so likewise, [ B] halfe a Communion is no Sacrament.
And concerning the being of Christs Blood in the bread by Concomitancie: I answere, If this were granted, they receiue not Christs blood Sacramentally, but some other way: for no∣thing is receiued Sacramentally, but that which is caused by the words of consecration: Ergo, It is not there Sacramentally, and consequently it is not receiued Sacramentally.
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Aug. Ep. 118. ca. 2. Totum hoc genus rerum, libe∣ras habet obserua∣tionis, &c.