A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

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A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
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Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 24, 2024.

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ANSWER. [ D]

The sequele and assumption of this Argument are denied. First, Communion vnder one kinde, may be of the substance of Christs Institution, although the end and fruit of the holy Eu∣charist might bee receiued by other meanes: for as in the Sa∣crament of Baptisme, the end is regeneration and remission of sinnes a, Acts 22. 16. Tit. 3. 5. and this end, in some cafe, may bee obtained without aspersion of water, as appeareth in Baptismo sanguinis b, when Martyrs decease, without Sacra∣mentall

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Baptisme: and yet to be washed or sprinkled with wa∣ter, [ A] is of the substance of Christs Institution; so likewise Com∣munion in both kindes, is of the substance of Christs Institu∣tion, although the end and fruit of the holy Eucharist, to wit, continuance and increase of grace, may be obtained by spiritu∣all manducation alone, without Sacramentall.

If the former illation of Romists were good, it will follow likewise from thence, that receiuing of Bread in the Eucharist, is not of the substance of Christs Institution: for whole and intire Christ, according to bodie, and soule, and infinite per∣son, is in the blood alone, if the Popish Doctrine of Conco∣mitancie [ B] be true: and if this be granted (as of necessitie it must) then Romists may mangle and transforme the holy Sacrament at their pleasure.

Secondly, The end and fruit of the Sacrament is either com∣mon to the holy Eucharist, with other meanes of Grace a, or else proper to it onely.

To eate the flesh and drinke the blood of the Sonne of God, [ C] by recognition of Christs Passion, and by Faith in the same, may be an effect of the Gospell preached, Ioh. 6. 54. But to eate the same flesh and blood, communicated more distinctly and effectually by visible seales, of the couenant of the new Testament, is an end and fruit peculiar and proper to the holy Eucharist, 1. Cor. 10. 16. A man may haue the same inheri∣tance bestowed on him, by the word and writing of the Donor, yet when the same is confirmed by the seale of the Donor, the donation is of greater validitie; and if by Law or [ D] custome, two seales should be appointed, the apposition of one is not of equall force and validitie to the apposition of both: so likewise, because the Sonne of God made choyce of two outward signes, namely, Bread and Wine, to represent and ap∣ply his Passion and Oblation, and withall commanded the common vse and reception of both, saying, Drinke ye all of this: and also annexed a speciall promise and blessing to both these outward signes, ioyntly vsed: therefore the vse & sumption of one of these without the other, cannot haue so great force b, to apply the effect & fruit of the Sacrament, as the vse & reception [ E] of both. And as in concauses, or partiall causes, the action of

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the one, cannot produce the effect without the other; and as [ A] when two keyes are prouided to open a locke, the same is not opened by one of them onely: so likewise Christ Iesus, ha∣uing instituted and sanctified two signes, for the more propor∣tionable and effectuall application of his Bodie, and Blood, it is grosse presumption in man to mutilate and cut off a part of that bodie which the wisedome of Christ hath framed in due and beautifull proportion, and to diuide that which God hath ioy∣ned together, and without warrant from Gods reuealed word, to attribute a totall effect, to a partiall meanes and cause.

Notes

  • a

    Aug. Ep. 90. & Epist. 157. Greg. Nyssen. Orat. d. Bapt. Chrysoft. in Gen. Hom. 40. Ambros. Apol. Dauid. cap. 13.

  • b

    August. d. Ciuit. Dei. lib. 13. cap. 7. Quicunque non recepto rege∣nerationis [ E] lauacro, pro Christi consessione moriuntur tantum eis valet ad dimittenda peccata quantum si ablucrentur, sacro fonte Baptismatis. Lembard 4 d. 4. D. Aquin. 3. q. 68. ar. 2. & q. 87. ar. 1. Bellarm. d. Bap. lib. 1. cap. 6. Greg. Val. Suares, Nugnus, Henriques, lib 2. cap. 34. Petigian. in. 4. d. 4. q. 3. ar. 1. 〈◊〉〈◊〉. d Sacrament. d. Bapt. Disp. 2. punct. 2. Yrebarn. Cabrer. Fauentin. & aiij.

  • a

    Aug. Epist. ad Bonifac. citatur à 〈◊〉〈◊〉 in 3. p. Tho. d. Euchar. q. 27. ar. 5. pa. 371. Nulliest aliquatenus ambigendum, tunc vnumquenque fidelium corporis sanguinisque Domini participem fieri, quando in Baptismate membrum Christi corporis efficitur, nec alie∣nari ab illius panis calicisque consortio, etiamsi antequam panem illum comedat, & calicem bibat, de hoc saeculo, in vnitate corporis Christi constitutus abscedat.

  • b

    Alex. Hal. 4. q. 10. m. 4. ar. 1. §. 1. In quantum efficacia respicit signatum, & non contentum vtraque (species) est de integritate: quia sumpto hoc Sacramento digne, in vtraque specie, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 est effectus, vnionis corporis mystici cum capite quam sumptio sub altera.

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