A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

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A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
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White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
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Fisher, John, 1569-1641 -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A15082.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed May 24, 2024.

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IESVIT. [ D]

Finally, That the Fathers held Transubstantiation, is prooued by the continuancie which they taught of Christs bodie in the Sacrament, so long as the accidents of bread last, as appeareth by their reseruing of the same. For Re∣seruation to haue beene the custome of the Primatiue Church, Protestants grant. That the Sacrament was of some reserued in the elder dayes of the Church, is not (saith Master d Fulke) so great a question, as whether it [ E]

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ought to be reserued. And Chemnicius granteth, that in [ A] this point on our side stands, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 consuetudinis late patentis & diu propagatae. And whereas 〈◊〉〈◊〉 ad∣deth, Haec tamen veritati praescribere non debet, hee accuseth the Primitiue Church, and opposeth no lesse against them than vs; and I am sure your Maiestie knowes, that the Primitiue Fathers did vse to send the Sacrament vn∣to them that were lawfully absent from Church, as doth witnes S. Iustin; and vnto the sicke, as Dyonisius Alex. [ B] writes of Serapion, That Christians carryed the same to their priuate houses to take in the morning before other meate, as testifieth Tertullian, That many times they did weare the same about them for protection, as Sa∣tyrus brother to S. Ambr. going to sea, carryed it in a stole, by vertue whereof he was saued in shipwracke: That Martyrs had the same frequently with them, to re∣ceiue it for their Viaticum, as Tharsilius a most glorious [ C] Martyr, who being taken with the Sacrament about him, permitted himselfe rather to bee bruised with stones to death, than disclose it to the Persecutors; who when they had crowned the Martyr, searching seriously for the Sa∣crament in his cloathes and about his dead body, found no∣thing, God by miracle keeping the same out of their impi∣ous hands. S. Cyprian records diuers miracles done in confirmation of this our Sauiours permanent presence in [ D] the Sacrament, namely of a woman vnworthily approach∣ing to the Chest where the same was kept, that was frigh∣ted backe with fire that thence flashed out, Tanta est Domini potentia, saith S. Cyprian, Tanta Maiestas. And so fully were they persuaded in this opinion, That Christs body is permanently in the Sacrament, that Cyril dareth say, Insaniant qui dicunt benedictionem a San∣ctificatione cessare, Si quae reliquiae remanserunt [ E] eius in sequentem diem, non enim mutabitur sacro∣sanctum corpus Christi, sed virtus benedictionis & viuificatiua gratia iugis in eo est Now what rea∣son could the Fathers haue, thus constantly to defend this

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continuancy of our Sauiour in the Sacrament, but that [ A] they beleeued Bread to be changed into his body, remaining demonstrable, by the formes and accidences thereof, so long as they remained entire, and were not changed into the ac∣cidences of some other substance?

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    Habent vete∣ris Ecclesiae exem∣plum 〈◊〉〈◊〉. Caluin. Instit. lib. 9. c. 17. Sect. 39. Fulke against Heskins Saunders, & p. 77. Chemnit. in Exam. Concil. Trid. pa. 2. p. 102. Iustin. Apolog. 2. fine Dionys. Alexand. Ep. ad Fab. apud Euseb. Ep. 6. ca. 36. Chrys. Ep. 1. ad Innocent. Tertullian. li. 2. ad vxorem Greg. Nazian. Orat. in Gorgon.

  • Ambros. Orat. in Obitu. Fratris Sa∣tyri.

  • Symeon. Metaphr. vitae Sancti Steph. Pap. & Martyr. c. 17. Vsu Ord. in Martyrol. Guismundus de corpore & sangui∣ne li. 2. Cyprian. Serm. de lapsis.

  • Cyril. Alexand. E∣pist. ad Calosyr.

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