A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

ANSWER.

First, the Fathers teach, and we with them acknowledge, that Christs bodie is mystically present to faithfull communi∣cants, 1. Cor. 10.16. But corporall presence (by indistance of place, and absence of the materiall substance of the elements) was not taught by the antiēt Church; for they teach, That the creatures a 1.1 of Bread and Wine are present in the Eucharist, and that after they be changed b 1.2, they nourish the bodie: but the [ D] abstracted shapes of Bread and Wine are not Gods creatures, but Popish fancies. Againe, they teach, that such signes and ele∣ments are present, as haue power to feed and nourish the bo∣die c 1.3, and to resemble the mysticall vnion betweene Christ and Christian people, to wit, Bread confected of many cornes of graine, Wine of many grapes d 1.4: but mathematicall Bread

and wine, haue neither power to nourish, neither doe they re∣semble [ A] the mysticall Vnion aforesaid; for there is in them, onely the shadow of graine and Grapes, but no substance; and Papists may as well say, That painted bread and wine, haue power of feeding, and mysticall representation, as these ficti∣ons and Mathematicall shadowes.

Secondly, Cyrill sheweth in other passages of that worke, what hee intendeth and meaneth, namely, That the conse∣crate bread, is not 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, common, prophane, and meere naturall bread, which the sight and taste iudge so to be; but sanctified, eleuated, and changed to supernaturall vse [ B] and operation.

Thirdly, If Theophylact, a late Writer a 1.5, and some one or two besides, speake obscurely, and improperly b 1.6 in this Argu∣ment, what is this to the grounding and raysing of an Article of Faith, or to the proouing a matter in question, by a common and euident consent of Fathers?

Fourthly, The Fathers exhort people to abnegate their [ C] sences in Baptisme, wherein they maintaine no Transubstan∣tiation: and there is good reason why wee should doe this in the holy Eucharist, because wee therein eate the flesh, and drinke the blood of the Sonne of man, Credendo c 1.7, by belee∣uing, Iohn 6. 35. and not by sensible or corporall eating.

Notes

• a 1.1

  Iren. li. 4. cap. 32. Eum quiex cre∣atura Panis est ac∣cepit, & gratias e∣git, dicens hoc est corpus meum. Et calicē similitèr, qui est ex creatura. Ib. li. 4. ca. 34. Quem∣admodum qui est è terra panis percipi∣ens vocationē Dei, iam non communis panis est, sed Eucharistia ex duabus rebus constans terrena & coelesti, &c. li. 5. ca. 1. Eum Ca∣licem qui est creatura, &c.
• b 1.2

  Iustin. Martyr. Apol. 2. Quae mutata nutrit carnes nostras. Cyril. in Ioh. li. 3. c. 34. Vt panis hic terrestris facit, imbecilitatem carnis nostrae sustinens atquè conseruans: ità & ipse per spiritum san∣ctum, spiritum nostrum viuificat, & corpus ipsum à coruptione liberat.
• c 1.3

  Iren. li. 5. ca. 1. Et per creaturam [ E] nutrimur, ex quibus augetur carnis nostiae substantia.
• d 1.4

  Cyprian. Epist. 63. Quemadmodum grana multa in vnum collecta, &c. Idem. Epist. 76. Quando Dominus corpus suum panem vocat, de multorum granorum adu∣natione congestum populum nostrum quem portabat indicat adunatum: Et quando sanguinem suum vinum ap∣pellat, de botris atquè acinis plurimis expressum, at{que} in vnum coactum, gregem item nostrum significat commix∣tione adunatae multitudinis copulatum. Chrys. in 1. Cor. hom. 24. Quemadmodum panis ex multis granis vnitur, &c. Aug. in Ioh. tr. 26. Dominus noster Iesus Christus corpus & sanguinem suum in 〈◊〉〈◊〉 rebus commendauit, quae ad vnum aliquid rediguntur ex multis. Namquè aliud in vnum ex multis granis conficitur & constat, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 in vnum ex multis 〈◊〉〈◊〉 confluit.
• a 1.5

  Bellarm. de 〈◊〉〈◊〉. Theophi∣lactus 〈◊◊◊〉〈◊◊◊〉 tempore A∣lexandri Papae 2. &c. Circa annum Dom. 1071.
• b 1.6

  Chrysost. in Ioh. Hom. 45. Non se tantum videri permittit desiderantibus, sed & tangi, & 〈◊〉〈◊〉, & dentes carni suae infigi. Id. Ad Pop. Antioch. Hom. 61. Lingua 〈◊◊◊〉〈◊◊◊〉.
• c 1.7

  Chrysost. 1. Cor. Hom. 24. August. d. verb. Dom. Serm. 33. & sup. Ioh. Tract. 25. Ib. tr. 50. Tertul. d. Resur. Car. cap. 37.