A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*

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Title: A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of Div· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit*
Author: White, Francis, 1564?-1638.
Publication: London :: Printed by Adam Islip,; 1624.
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ANSWER. [ B]

First, if a substance be either by nature, humane Custome, or diuine Ordination, appointed to containe another substance, then demonstrating the externall substance which containes, we may signifie the hidden substance contained a 1.1. But accor∣ding to that Tenet, which maintaineth Consubstantiation, the substance of bread is by diuine Ordination appointed to con∣taine the substance of Christs bodie; therefore demonstrating by words the substance of bread, one may signifie the hidden substance, which is Christs bodie.

Secondly, Scotus b 1.2, Durand c 1.3, and Paludanus d 1.4 affirme, that al∣though [ C] the substance of Bread remaine, yet because the sub∣stance of Christs bodie is also present, it might truely and pro∣perly be said by our Sauiour, This is my Bodie. Now if such pro∣found Scholemen haue weighed the Iesuits obiection, & do find the same light, the propugnors of Consubstantiation haue smal reason to regard it.

Thirdly, the former obiection is nothing to vs, which main∣taine [ D] a true mysticall presence e 1.5 of Christ in the holy Eucha∣rist, and refuse both Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation; for we beleeue, and are able to demonstrate, that our Sauiours words are figuratiue in part, and yet the true Bodie and Bloud of Christ are really and verely communicated f 1.6, according to the manner formerly declared, pag. 405.

Notes

a 1.1

Fauentin. in 4. Sent. Disp. 45. ca. 4. Signato Marsu∣pio verè dicitur hoc est aurum, licet ali∣quid argenti sit ad∣mixtū: Et hoc 〈◊〉〈◊〉 est, seruata omni proprietate verbo∣rum.

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b 1.2

Scot. 4. d. 11. q. 3.

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c 1.3

Durand. ib. q. 1. n. 14.

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d 1.4

Palud. ib. q. 2. n. 24. Petig. 4. d. 11. q. 3. ar. 2. Doctores ramen hic & Du∣rand. q. 1. huius d. & Paludanus q. 2. & Occham. quod. 4. q. 29.30. & Thom. ab Arg. in 4. d. 11. q. 1. ar. 2. & Gab. in Can. lect. 41. Dicunt ex his verbis non concludi necessario, conuersionem seu Transubstantiationem Panis in corpus Christi, quamuis enim sub speciebus maneret substan∣tia Panis, dummodo cum illa simul adesset substantia corporis Christi, verè & propriè potuisset à Christo dici. Fa∣uentin. 4. disp. 45. ca. 4.

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e 1.5

Cyprian. d. vnct. Chrys. n. 7. Dedit ita{que} Dominus no∣ster in mensa in qua vltimum cum Apostolis partici∣pauit conuiuium, proprijs manibus Panem & Vinum, in Cruce vero manibus militum corpus tradidit vulnerandum, vt in Apostolis secretius impressa sincera veritas & vera sinceritas, exponeret gentibus quomodo Vinum & Panis Caro esset & sanguis, & quibus rationibus causae effectibus conuenirent, & diuersa nomina vel species ad vnam reducerentur essentiam, & significantia & signifi∣cata [ E] eisdem vocabulis censerentur.

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f 1.6

Bertram d. corp. & sang. Dom. Nec ideò quoniamista dicimus pute∣tur in mysterio Sacramenti corpus Domini vel sanguinem ipsius non à fidelibus sumi, quando fides non quod occulis videt, sed quod credit accipit.

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