A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie.

Stapleton.

HITHERTO, good Reader, M. Horne al∣though vntruely, yet hath he somwhat order∣like proceeded. But in that which followeth vntill we come to the .20. leafe, beside moste impudent and shamelesse lyes,* 1.1 wherwith he would deface M. Fekenham, he prosequuteth his matter so confusely and vnorderly, leaping in and out, I can not tel howe, nor whi∣ther: that I verely thinke that his wits were not his owne, being perchance encombred with some his domestical af∣faires at home, that he could not gather them together, or that he the lesse passed, what an hodge potche he made of his doings, thinking which is like, that his fellowes Prote∣stantes woulde take all things in good gree, knowing that poore M. Fekenham was shut vp close inough, from al an∣swering. And thinking that no Catholique els woulde take vppon him to answere to his lewde booke. I had thought M. Horne, that from the olde Testament, ye woulde haue gone to the newe Testament: and woulde haue laboured to haue established your matters therby. Belike the world goeth very hard with you in that behalfe, that ye doe not so: sauing that here and there ye iumble in a testimonie or two, I can not tell how, but howe vnhandsomly and from the purpose, yea against your owne selfe, that I wot well, and ye shall anon heare of it also.

In the meane while it is worth the labour well to con∣sider the excellent pregnant witte and greate skill of this man, who hath in the former Treatise of M. Fekenham es∣pied out (which surely the wisest, and best learned of all the worlde I trowe, beside M. Horne, would neuer haue espied, such a special grace the man hath geuen him of his maister the Deuill of mere malice, ioyned with like follie) that M. Fekenham is an Heretike, and a Donatist. But yet M. Fekenham is somewhat beholding to him, that he saith M. Fekenham hath bewrayed his secrete heresies. Wherein he saith for the one part most truely. For if there be any heresie at all in this matter surmised vppon him, as certain∣ly there is none, it is so secrete and priuie, that Argus him∣selfe, with al his eyes shall neuer espye it: no nor M. Horne him selfe, let him prie neuer so narrowly: whereas on the other side, M. Horn and his fellowes, and his Maisters Lu∣thers and Caluins heresies, are no secrete nor simple here∣sies, but so manifolde and so open, that they haue no waye or shift to saue their good name and honestie, blotted and blemished for euer (without repentance) for the obstinate maintenance of the same. Where of many were, many hū∣dred yeares since, condemned, partly by the holy Fathers, partly by General Councels. You say M. Fekenham hath secrete heresies, and that Donatus is his great grandsi••, and the Donatists the Catholikes auncetours: but how truly, you shal vnderstād anon. In the meane while good Syr, may it please you fauourably to heare you and your maisters honorable pedegre; and of their worthy feares and prowes. You haue heard of them before perhaps,* 1.2 and that by mee. But suche things as may edifie the Catholike, ād can neuer be answe∣red by the Heretike, Decies repetita placebunt.

Howe say you then to the great heretik Aerius the Ar∣rian,* 1.3 that said there was no difference betwene priest and Bisshop, betwene him that fasted and that did not faste, and that the sacrifice for the deade was fruitlesse? How say you to Iouinian, that denied virginity to haue any excellencye aboue matrimony, or any special rewarde at Gods handes?* 1.4 To the Arrians that denied the miracles done at the saintes tōbes to be true miracles, and that the martyrs cā not caste out the diuels and relieue thē that be possessed? To the Bo∣gomyles that said the deuils sate at the saints tōbes and did wonders there, to illude and deceiue the people, to cause the people to worship them? To Berengarius condemned in diuers councels, first for denying of the real presence in the sacrament of the aulter, and then for denying the tran∣substantiatiō? To the Paulicians,* 1.5 that saied these wordes of Christe, Take, eate, this is my body, are not to be vnderstan∣ded of his bodye, or the breade and wine vsed at the cele∣bration of our Lordes maundy, but of the holy scriptures, which the Priests should take at Christes hand, and deliuer and distribute to the people? To Claudius and Vigilantius, that denied the inuocation of Saintes, and inueyed against the blessed reliques, and the vse of Lights and other cere∣monies in the Church? To the Massalians and other here∣tiks, saying that concupiscence as a sinne remayneth in vs after holy baptisme? And because ye shal not say I suppresse, conceile, or obscure, the chief and most notable persons of your auncetry: how say you to the Emperours Philippicus, Leo, Constantinus, condēned with their adherētes by the .7. general coūcel at Nice, that vilayned by defacing, breaking and burnīg, the Images of al the holy hallowes of Christ, ād Christes to? To whome for your more honour and glorye

I adioyne the Emperour Iulianus the Apostata. Who as ye doe in your books and pulpits,* 1.6 cried out vpon the Christiās. O ye wretched men, that worship the wood of the crosse, set∣ting vp the figure of it vppon your forehed and dores: you there∣fore that are of the wiseste sorte are worthy to be hated, and the residewe to be pityed, that treading after your steppes come to such a kinde of Wretchednes. To the Pelagians, affirming that children not baptized shalbe saued? And yet are your mai∣sters in this point worse then the Pelagians, as wel for that some of them haue said, that some Infants thowgh vnbapti∣zed shalbe damned, and some other though vnbaptized shal be saued: And some of them especially Caluin and other Sacramentaries say, that they shal come without Baptisme to the Kingdom of heauen: which the Pelagians durste not say, but that they should haue the life euerlasting, put∣ting a difference, but peuishly, betwixte those two. And if ye thinke the race of your worthye generation is not fet∣ched highe inoughe,* 1.7 we will mounte higher, and as high as maye be, euen to Simon Magus him selfe. Of whome Mar∣cion and Manicheus,* 1.8 and after long and honorable succes∣sion your Patriarches Luter and Caluin haue learned their goodly doctrine against free will. Yea to touche the verye foundatiō and wel spring of this your new gospel, which al∣together is grounded vpō iustificatiō without good works, in that also ye drawe very nigh to the said Simon Magus.* 1.9

I forbeare at this time to speake of the residewe of your noble progenitours, hauing in other places (as I noted be∣fore) spoken largely of the same. This shall suffice, at thys present, to make open to all the world, that they are no pe∣tit or secrete heresies that ye and your fellowes mainteine. Come foorthe once, and cleare your selfe of this onelye

obiection, if yow can, being so often pressed therewith. If you maintaine olde condēned heresies, what are yow lesse then heretiks your selues? If yow maintaine them not, or if they be not olde heresies which you maintaine, clere your self if you be able. I assure you M. Horn, you and al your fe∣lowes wil neuer be able to auoide this one onely obiectiō. And therfore you and al your fellowes must nedes remaine stark hereticks, and for such to be abhorred and abādonned (except you repēt) of al good Christiās.* 1.10 Now as I haue pro∣ued yow and your companions open and notable heretiks, so shal I straite way purge M. Fekenham to be no Donatist, or any heretik otherwise, for any thing yet by you layde to his charge. But now Maister Horne beware your self, leaste this vniuste accusation against Maister Fekenham and the Catholikes whome ye cōpare to the Donatistes causelesse,* 1.11 moste iustly and truely redounde vpon your and your fel∣lowes heades. Beware I say. For I suppose I will laye more pregnante matter in this behalfe to your and their charge, then ye haue or possible can doe to Maister Fekenham or any other Catholike, whereof I dare make any indifferent Reader iudge. If I should dilate and amplifie this matter at large, yt would rise to a prety volume: but I will purposely abridge yt, and giue the Reader as it were but a taste.* 1.12

They were al called first Donatistes: but as the first fell from the Churche Catholike: so fell they also afterwarde from their owne Churche and maister, into an horrible di∣uision, of the Maximianistes, Circumcellions, Rogatistes, Circenses and others. A lyuelye paterne of the sectes sprōg from your Apostle Luther, as in their pedegree in the Apo∣logy of Staphylus euery man may see.

The Donatistes would somtyme crake and bragge of

their multitude, and bring it as an argument that the truth was on their side, as doth your Apologie. Which being re∣strayned by the Emperours Lawes, and dayly diminishing, then they cried, the truthe resteth with the fewe elected and chosen parsons: then cried they: O lytle flocke feare not, as ye did, when ye were as yet but in corners, rotten barnes, and Luskye lanes.

* 1.13The Donatistes when they could not iustifie their own doctrine, nor disproue the Catholiks doctrine, leauing the doctrine, fel to rayling, against the vitiouse lyfe of the Ca∣tholiks. In this point, who be Donatists, I referre me to Lu∣thers and Caluins books, especially to M. Iewel, and to your owne Apologie.

* 1.14The Donatistes refused the open knowen Catholicke Churche, and sayde the Church remayned onely in those that were of their side in certayne corners of Afrike. And sing not ye the like songe, preferring your Geneua and Wit∣tenberge, before the whole Catholike Church beside?

The Donatistes corrupted the Fathers books wonder∣fully, and were so impudent in alleaging them, that in their publike conference at Carthage, they pressed much vppon Optatus wordes, and layde him forth as an author making for them,* 1.15 who yet wrote expressely against them, and in all his writings condemned them. Is not this I pray yow the vsuall practise of your Apostles Luther and Caluin, of M. Iewel, and your own to, in this booke? as I truste we haue and shal make it most euidēt. And here let M. Dawes beare you company to, in the crafty and false handling of his own deare brothers Sleydans story, where he leaueth out Alex∣ander Farnesius oration to the Emperour, wherein he she∣weth the Protestants dissensions.

The Donatists to get some credite to their doctrine pre∣tended many false visions and miracles, and they thowght that God spake to Donatus from heauen: And doth not M. Foxe in his donghil of stinckinge martyrs pretely followe them therein trowe you?* 1.16 Hathe not the lyke practise bene attempted of late in Hūgary, to authorise the new ghospell by pretēding to restore lyfe to an holy brother feyning him self to be dead, and by the great prouidence of God, found to be dead in dede?* 1.17 Did not your Apostle Luther boast himself of his visions and reuelations? Which how coelesti∣all they were doth sone appere, for that hī self writeth, that the deuil appered vnto him in the night, and disputed with him against priuate masse: by whose mightye and weightye reasons Luther being ouerthrowen yelded, and inconti∣nently wrote against priuate masse as ye cal it.* 1.18

Did not the Donatists preferre, and more exsteme one national erroniouse councel in Aphrica, then the great and general coūcel at Nice? kepe not ye also this trade prefer∣ring your forged Conuocation libell before the Generall Councel of Trident?

The Donatists said that al the world was in an apostasie at the cōming of their apostle Donatus: And is not Luther the same man to yow, that Donatus was to them? doth not one of your greatest clerks there with you now write, that Wyclyff begatte Husse, Husse begotte Luther: and thē addeth a shameful blasphemous note, this is the seconde Natiuitye of Christe?

The Donatists being charged and pressed by the Catho∣liks to shewe the beginning and continuance of their do∣ctrine, and the ordinary successiō of their Bisshops, were so encombred, that they could neuer make any conueniente

answer. And are not ye I pray you, with your felowes pro∣testāt bishops, fast, in the same myre? If not, answer then to my thirde demaunde in the Fortresse annexed to S. Bede.

* 1.19The Donatists fynding faulte with Constantine, Theo∣dosius, and other Catholik princes, ranne for succour to Iu∣lianus the renegate and highly commended him. And doth not M. Iewel, I pray you, take for his president against the Popes primacy Constantius the Arrian, against Images Philippicus, Leo, Cōstantinus and such like detestable here∣tiks by general councels condemned? Do not your self play the like parte in the Emperour Emanuel, as ye cal him, and in other as we shal hereafter declare?

Now who are, I pray you, Donatists, for the defacing and ouerthrowing of Aulters, for vilaining the holy Chrisme, and the holy Sacrament of the aulter? Which they cast vnto dogs: which straitwaies by the ordinance of God,* 1.20 fell vpon them, and being therin Gods ministers, made them fele the smart of their impietie. It were a tragical narration, to open the great and incredible crueltie that the Donatists vsed toward the Ca∣tholiks, and especially their horrible rauishment of religious Nonnes. And yet were they nothing so outragious, as your Hugonots haue bene of late in France, and the beggarly Guets here in Flandres, namely about Tournaye.

The Donatists said of the Catholiks: Illi portant multorū Imperatorum sacra. Nos sola portamus euangelia. They bring vs many of the Emperours letters, we bring the only ghos∣pels. And is not this the voyce of all Protestantes whatsoe∣uer? Only Scripture, only the gospel, only the word of God? And for the first parte, what is more common in the mou∣thes of the Germayn Lutherans, of the French Caluinistes, and now of the flemmish Guets, then this complaint, that we presse them with the Emperours Diets, with the Kings

proclamations, and with the Princes placarts? To the which they obey as much as the Donatists, when they haue pow∣er to resiste.

Wel, we wil nowe leaue of al other conference and cō∣parisons, and tarry a litle in one more.* 1.21 The Donatists though they were most wicked Murtherers of others and of them selues also, killing them selues moste wretchedly without any other outward violence don to them: yet were they takē of their confederats for Martyrs. Of whome thus wri∣teth S. Augustin. Viuebant vt Latrones, moriebantur vt Cir∣cumcelliones, honorabantur vt Martyres.* 1.22 They liued like rob∣bers by the high way, they died like Circumcellions (mea∣ning thei slew them selues) they were honored as Martyrs. And now where lerned M. Foxe the trade to make his holy canonisation, in his deuelish dirty donghil of his fowle here∣tical ād trayterous Martyrs, but of those ād such like schole∣maisters? As of the Montanists, that worshipped one Alex∣ander for a worshipful martyr, thowgh he suffred for no mat∣ter of religiō, but for myscheuous murther. And of the Ma∣niches, that kepte the day wherein their maister Manes was put to death, more solemply, then Easter day.

Haue ye not thē in M. Foxe, Sir Iohn Oldcastle, and Syr Roger Acton canonised for holy martyrs, though they died for high treason? yea their names al to be painted, dasshed, ād florished in the kalender with read letters, I thinke because we shoulde kepe their daye a double feaste? Whose and their confederates condemnation for conspiringe againste the Kinge, the nobilitye, and their countreye, appereth aswell by acte of parliament then made, as by the full testimony of all our English Cronicles. Is not dame Ellea∣nour Cobhā a stowte confessour in this madde martyrloge?

whose banishment was not for religion,* 1.23 but for conspiringe King Henry the sixts death by wytchrafte and sorcery, by the help and assistance of M. Roger Bolinbroke, and Mar∣garet Iordeman, commonly called the Witche of Aey? The which two were openly executed for the same. But nowe is it worth the hearing to know, how handsomly M. Foxe hath conceyued his matters: wherein he plaieth in dede the wily Foxe and springleth with his false wily tayle, his fylthy stale not into the doggs, but into his readers eies. And as the Foxe, as some hūters say, when he is sore driuen, wil crafte∣ly mount from the earth and kepe himself a while vpon the eather of a hedge, only to cause the howndes that drawe af∣ter him to leese the sente of the tracte: euen so for all the worlde hath our Foxe plaied with his reader. But I trust I shal trace him, and smel him out wel inoughe.

First then, though M. Foxes authority be very large and ample in this his canonisation, and such as neuer any Pope durste take vpon him, yea and though he hath authority to make martyrs,* 1.24 yet I dowbte whether he hath authority to make Knights to: for this Sir Roger Onley is neither a Sir, but of M. Foxes making, nor Onley neither: But M. Roger Bolinbroke only: put to death for the treason before speci∣fied, as not onely his owne authours Fabian and Harding, whome he doth alleage for the story of Dame Elleanour, but al other also doe testifie. Truthe it is that Harding wri∣ting in English meeter and speaking of this M. Bolinbroke endeth one of his staues with this worde Only, which is there to signifie no name, but to better and sweate the mee∣ter, and is as much to say, as chiefly and principally, meaning that Maister Roger was the principal worker in this nigro∣mancy. The meeters of Harding are these.

He waxed then strange eche day vnto the King, For cause she was foreiudged for sorcery,* 1.25 For enchantments that she was in working Against the Church and the King cursedly, By helpe of one M. Roger, only.

Whiche last woorde, some ignorant or Protestant Printer hath made Oonly. And then hath M. Fox added a Syr, and a Martyr too, and adorned him with no common inke, to set foorth and beutify his Martyr withal. And so of M. Ro∣ger Bolinbroke, sorcerer and traitour, by a cunning Meta∣morphosis he hath made, Syr Roger Onlye Knight and Martyr.

Wel, wil ye yet see further the craftie dubling of a Fox, walking on the eather of the hedge? Consider then that, for Margaret Iordaman that notable witch (least if he had named her and M. Bolinbroke by their own names, he had marred al the rost) he placeth an other woman, that by his owne rule died fortie yeares after.* 1.26 And yet can he not hit vpon her name neither, but is faine to call her, in steed of Ione Bowghton, the mother of the Ladie Yong, who in deed is one of his stinking hereticall and foolish Martyrs. For she craked ful stoutly that there was no fier, that could consume or hurt her. I could here name a rablemente of like holy Martyrs, as Richard Hune, that hong him selfe: King, Debnam, and Marsh, hanged for sacrilege. Beside a number of such notoriouse and detestable heretiques, that M. Foxe him selfe wil not I trowe, as great an heretike as he is, denie them to be heretiks. As Peter a Germain being an Anabaptist: as Anthonie Person an Heretike of the secte of the Paulicians, of whom we haue spoken.* 1.27 As D. Wesalian, that denied the holy Ghost to procede from the

Father and the sonne. And to conclude this matter, of the notable heretike Cowbridge, burnte at Oxford. Who ex∣pounded these wordes of Christ, Take eate this is my bodie that shalbe betrayed for you.* 1.28 thus: Take, eate, this is my body, in the which the peple shalbe deceiued. Who also affirmed that the name of Christ was a foule name, and therfore ra∣ced it out of his bookes, whersoeuer he foūd it. And would reade for Iesu Christ: Iesu, Iesu, saiyng that Christ was the deceiuer of the world, and that al were damned in hel, that beleued in the name of Christ. We wil now with this bles∣sed Martyr of M. Foxes canonisation ende this talke with the whole conference, leauing it to the indifferent Reader to consider whether the Catholiques, or the Protestantes, drawe nearer to the Donatists.

Let vs then procede foorth, and consider vppon what good motiues, ye charge M. Fekenham to be a Donatiste, which are, to say the truth, none other but falshod and fol∣lie. But, as ye surmise, the one is, because he craftelye and by a subtill shift refuseth the proufes of the olde Testamente, as the Donatists did. The other, because he with the said Donatists shoulde auouche, that secular Princes haue not to meddle in matters of Religion, or causes Ecclesiasticall: nor to punishe anye man for suche causes. Surely for your firste motiue so fine and subtile a blaste of an horne, a man shal not light∣lye find againe among al the horners in England I suppose. But yet by your leaue Syr, your horne hath a foule flawe. When M Fekenham offereth to yeld, if ye can proue this re∣giment either by the order that Christ left behinde him in the new Testament, either by the Doctours, either by Councels, or els by the cōtinual practise of any one Church, think you M. Horne that this is not a large and an ample offer? I wil not say, that

this is subtyle shift, but rather a very blind, bytle blonte shifte of yours, to charge him with any refusall of the olde Testament, either openly or couertly. There is not so much as anye coniecture apparente, to gather this vppon, yea the olde Testamente is not by this offerre, as ye blindlye and blontly gheasse, excluded, but verely included. For if the new Testament, which reherseth many things out of the olde, haue any thing out of the olde Testamente, that make for this regimente: yf any Doctour, olde or newe, yf any Councell haue any thinge oute of the olde Testa∣ment that serue for this regimente, then is Maister Feken∣ham concluded, yea by his owne graunte. For so the Do∣ctour or Councel hath yt, he is satisfied accordinge to his demaunde. Whereby it foloweth, that he doth not refuse, but rather alowe and affirme the proufes of the olde Testa∣mente. And surely wise men vse not greatly to shew that, that maketh against them, but most for them. Wherefore it is incredible, that Maister Fekenham shoulde ons imagyn any suche syftynge or shyftynge as ye dreame of, hauinge wonne his purpose againste you euen by the verye olde Testamente as we haue declared. And therfore it is spo∣ken but in your dreame, when ye say, ye haue thereby with meruelouse force shaken M. Fekenhams holde: which suerlye is so forcible, as wil not beate down a very paper wal. And meruayle were it, yf ye shoulde so batter his holde, when that these your great cannons come not nigh his holde by one thowsande myles.

Againe this accusation is incredible. For M. Fekenham him selfe is so farre of from this suspition, that he himselfe, bringeth in against you many and good testimonies of the old Law. (as fol. 109. and 123.) by the force whereof only he

may be thought to haue shaken and ouerthrowen to, your rotten weake holde vnderpropped with your great Samp∣sons postes as mighty as bulrushes. But I perceiue by your good Logike, your Law, and like Diuinity, silēce maketh a denial, and because M. Fekenham maketh no mention in this place of the matter to be proued by the old Testamēt, therfore he subtillie refuseth the proufes thereof. But yee should rather me thinketh induce the contrary, and that he consenteth to you for the olde Testament: Quia qui tacet, consentire videtur: (as the olde saiyng is) For he that hol∣deth his peace, seemeth to consent: and so ye might haue better forced vppon him that all was yours, presupposing that ye had proued the matter by the olde Testament.

But you will needes driue your reason an other waye. Let vs see then, what we Catholiques can saye to you for your Apologie by the like drifte. You and your Collea∣ges, seing your selues charged with many heresies, to wipe away that blotte if it be possible, and for your better pur∣gation, take vpon you, to shew your whole, ful, and entier belief. And therevpon you recite the Articles of the com∣mon Crede. But now good Syr, I aske you a questiō: What if by chaunce you had omitted any one of them, would ye gladly be measured by this rule, yee measure M. Fekenham by? Would ye be content, that the Catholiques should lay to your charge, that ye subtilly refuse that article, that you haue forslowen to reherse? If ye would not, thē must I say to you with Christe: Quod tibi non vis fieri, alteri non facias. Do you not to an other, that ye would not haue don to your selfe. If you say, that ye are content to stande to the very same lawe, as if ye be a reasonable and a constant man you must needes say: Loe then good Syr, you haue

concluded your selfe and all your companions plaine here∣tiques, for the refusal of the Article,* 1.29 Conceiued of the holye Ghost, whiche ye omitte in the rehearsall of your Creede, which Article I am assured, ye find not there. Then fur∣ther, seing that the Archeheretique Eutiches, and before him Appollinarius in the recitinge of the common Creede ranne in a maner the same race, you following them at the heeles, as fast as may be, pretermitting also these wordes: Incarnatus est de Spiritu sancto: here might we euen by your owne rule and exaumple, crye oute vppon you all as A∣pollinarians and Eutichians, and that with more colou∣rable matter, then you haue, eyther to make Maister Fe∣kenham a Donatiste, or that your Apologie hath to make the worthie and learned Cardinall Hosius a Zuenckfeldi∣an. Wherein your Rethorique is all togeather as good, as is this yours here against Maister Fekenham. Neither doe we greatly passe, howe the Donatistes in this pointe demeaned them selues, and whether they openly or priui∣lie shonned proufes brought and deduced out of the olde Testament. In deed the Manichees denied the authori∣tie of the bookes of the old Law and Testament: whiche I reade not of the Donatists.* 1.30 Yea in the very same boke and chapter by you alleaged, Petilian him self, taketh his proufe against the Catholikes out of the olde Testament, whiche you know could serue him in litle stede, if he him selfe did reiect such kind of euidences. This now shall suffice for this branche, to purge M. Fekenham that he is no Donatist, or Heretique otherwise.

Concerning the other, beside your falshood, your great follie doth also shew it sesfe too, as well as in the other, to imagin him to be a Donatist, and to think or say as you say

they did, that ciuile magistrates haue not to do with religiō, nor may not punish the trāsgressours of the same. M. Fekenhā saith no such thing, ād I suppose he thinketh no such thing: and furder I dare be as bold to say, that there is not so much as a light cōiecture to be groūded therof by any of M. Feken∣hās words, onlesse M. Horne become sodenly so subtil, that he thinketh no differēce to say: the Prince shuld not punish an honest true mā, in stede of a theef, ād to say he shuld not punish a theef. Or to say, there is no difference betwixt al∣things ād nothing. For though M. Fekenhā ād al other Ca∣tholiks do deny the ciuile Princes supreme gouernmēt in al causes ecclesiasticall, yet doth not M. Fekenhā or any Ca∣tholike deny but that ciuil Princes may deale in some mat∣ters ecclesiastical as aduocates and defendours of the chur∣che, namely in punishing of heretikes by sharp lawes, vnto the which lawes, heretikes are by the Church first geuē vp and deliuered by open excōmunication and condemnatiō.

As for S. Augustines testimonies they nothing touch M. Fekenham, and therefore we will say nothing to them, but kepe our accustomable tale with you, and beside all other score vp as an vntruth that ye say here also, that the Papists are no parte of the Catholique Churche, no more then the Donatistes.

Notes

• * 1.1

  M. Horns disorder∣ly Trea∣tise.
• * 1.2

  M. Horns and his fellovves aūcetors.
• * 1.3

  August. et Epiphae. de haeres.
• * 1.4

  Hier. con. Iouinian. Ambro. li. 10. epi. 18 Ambros. serm. 91. Euth. in Panopl. tit. 33.
• * 1.5

  Euth. Zi∣gab. in Pa¦nop. tit. 21 Hiero. cōt. Vig. Ionas episcopus Aurelian. cōt. Clau∣dium.

  Euth. in Panop. tit. 22.

  August li. 1. cont. 2. epis. Pela. ad Bonif. cap. 13.

  Cyril li 6. cōt. Iulia.
• * 1.6

  Cyril lib. 6 contra Iulianū. Aug. lib. 2 cōtr. 2. epi. Pelag. c. 4. Caluin in his Insti∣tutions, cap. 18. in fine: Ar∣gētorati Impress. An. 1545
• * 1.7

  Epiph. & Philast. de haeres.
• * 1.8

  Clemens li. 3. recog. Iraeneus. li 1. ca. 20.
• * 1.9

  In the discourse annexed to Sta∣philus. fol. 161. & sequent.
• * 1.10

  Prote¦stants be Do¦natists
• * 1.11

  1. The dis∣sentiō of the Do∣natists.

  August. de haeres. & in Psal. 36 & lib. 4. contra Cresc. c. 6.
• * 1.12

  2. Aug. lib. 2 contra Iu∣lian. & lib 3. contra Cresco. c. 66. & lib. 2. contra aduers. Leg. c 12.
• * 1.13

  3. Aug. epis. 204. & cōt. Cresc.
• * 1.14

  4. Aug. lib. 1. euang. quaest. 4. cap. 38. The Do∣natists re∣fuse the knovven Church.
• * 1.15

  5. Vide Aug. in breuicu¦lo Collat. diei 3. & in lib. post Coll. ca. 31. See M. Davves in his 13. booke.
• * 1.16

  6. August. in Ioannem Tractat. 13 An. 1558.
• * 1.17

  in l. theut. ad Senatū Germa. In lib. de miss. An∣gul.
• * 1.18

  7. Thei pre∣ferre a na¦tionall councel before the general. Aug. lib. 2 de baptis. cap. 9.

  8. August. de agone Christi c. 29.

  The Au∣thour of the har∣borovve. 9.
• * 1.19

  Opt. lib. 2. Parte. 2 cap. 1. fol. 94.

  Aug. lib. 2 cont. Pe∣til. ca. 92. Optatus lib. 2. In his Replie a∣gainst M. D. Har∣ding.
• * 1.20

  Optatus. lib. 2.6. & 7.

  The Do∣natistes crueltie to the Catholiks Optatus. Lib. 6. Aug. con∣tra Dona. post Col∣lat. c. 31.
• * 1.21

  The Do∣natistes counted Martyrs. August. epist. 68.
• * 1.22

  M. Foxes stinking Martyrs: Euseb. li. 5 cap. 18. Niceph. li. 6. c. 32 Aug. con. epist. Ma∣ni. ca. 8. Syr Iohn Oldcastel Syr Ro∣ger Act∣on.

  Anno. 2. Henrici. 5 cap. 5. Polidor. Harding. Fabian. Haul. Cooper. Eleanour Cobham.
• * 1.23

  Sir Ro∣ger One∣ly. Maga∣ret lorde∣man. The vvitch of Aey.
• * 1.24

  See Har∣ding, Fa∣biā, Hall Cooper, grafton, the addi¦tion of Polichro¦nicon.
• * 1.25

  Harding. in Hen. 6 c. 232.
• * 1.26

  See M. Foxes Martyr, the 371. leafe. Alanus Copus. dialog. 6. cap. 16. Hune Debnam. King. Marsh.
• * 1.27

  D. VVe∣salian.
• * 1.28

  Covv∣bridge.
• * 1.29

  The A∣pologie of Eng∣land in reciting the com∣mō Crede leaueth out these vvoords Conceiued of the holy Ghost. Tom 1. Concil. pa. 752. M. Horne and his fellovve•• by M. Horn his rule are Apolli∣narians, and Eu∣tichians.
• * 1.30

  Lib. 2. contr. Pe∣til ca. 92.