An ansvvere to a Romish rime lately printed, and entituled, A proper new ballad wherein are contayned Catholike questions to the Protestant, the which ballad was put foorth without date or day, name of authour or printer, libell-like scattered and sent abroad, to withdraw the simple from the fayth of Christ, vnto the doctrine of Antichrist the pope of Rome / written by that Protestant Catholike, I.R.
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- An ansvvere to a Romish rime lately printed, and entituled, A proper new ballad wherein are contayned Catholike questions to the Protestant, the which ballad was put foorth without date or day, name of authour or printer, libell-like scattered and sent abroad, to withdraw the simple from the fayth of Christ, vnto the doctrine of Antichrist the pope of Rome / written by that Protestant Catholike, I.R.
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"An ansvvere to a Romish rime lately printed, and entituled, A proper new ballad wherein are contayned Catholike questions to the Protestant, the which ballad was put foorth without date or day, name of authour or printer, libell-like scattered and sent abroad, to withdraw the simple from the fayth of Christ, vnto the doctrine of Antichrist the pope of Rome / written by that Protestant Catholike, I.R." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A10684.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 13, 2024.
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2 The Papists complaynt.
[ 2] MAny and sundry sects appeare, * 1.2now in the world both farre and neere: The Protestant, the Puritan, the Caluanist, and Zwinglian, the Brownist, and the family of loue, and many mo that I can proue: Besides the Romane faith truely, which Protestants call, Papistry. All these are Christs true Church, they say: but now on which shall my soule stay?The Protestants answere.
* 1.3STrange sects there are, and so will be, the Church to trye in eche degree: But for the most of them you name, they are not worthy of that blame. The Brownist, he is punished: the Familists from vs are fled: If we were rid of Papists too, * 1.4both kingdomes should haue lesse to doo. And you that will of sects complayne, shew which by Law we doe maintayne.Page [unnumbered]
The Papists further complaynt.
ALL these with Rome in very deede, [ 3] rehearse all Articles of the Creede: And euery one of them still saith, theirs is the true Catholike faith. But how should I amongst all these, know truth from falshood, God to please? This is the thing that still I seeke, to know the true Church Catholike, The fellowship and company of holy men in vnity.The Protestants answere.
IF these with Rome, and thousands moe, receyue our Creede, and yet will goe So many hundred steppes a wry, as Willet dooth in you descry,* 1.5 They are not worthy once to beare the name of Christians any where. Returne agayne therefore, I say, to Christ, and to Gods word alway. Then shall you see, that Unity is nothing without Uerity.Page [unnumbered]
3 The Church of Rome Catholike.
The Papist proceedes.
[ 4] I In your Bibles thus haue read, The Church must through the world be spred, For Christ he his Apostles sent: with power and with commandement, That to all nations they should goe, to preach and to baptize also. What company then tooke in hand, to winne and to conuert this Land, With other countreyes farre and neere, but Rome our Mother-Church most deere?The Protestants answere.
OUR Bibles teach all trueth in deede, which euery Christian ought to reede: But Papists thereto will say nay: because their deedes it dooth bewray. * 1.6Christ he the twelue Apostles sent. But who gaue you commandement, To winne and gather any where, * 1.7to binde by othe, to vowe, and sweare Newe Proselytes to Popery, 'gaynst trueth, our Prince & Countrey?Page [unnumbered]
The Papist proceedes.
SAint Paul in his Epistle sayth, The Romanes had the Catholike fayth, [ 5] And was so farre foorth renowmed, that none like it was published, Throughout the world in places all, to be the trueth vniuersall. If yours in England had bene so, then to your Churches I would goe. But till you proue your faith thus cleere, to yours I will no more come neere.The Protestants answere.
WHen Rome returnes to Christ againe, and be as once it did remaine:* 1.8 I meane, when Paul to them did write, and when that fifteene Popes in sight,* 1.9 Did suffer for the Gospell pure, England for truth you may be sure, Will ioyne and ioy with Rome againe, with Italy, with Fraunce and Spaine: And Antichrist shall be cast downe,* 1.10 which now doth weare yt triple crowne.Page [unnumbered]
The Papist proceedes.
[ 6] WE reade in Prophet Malachy, there shall be offrings farre and nye, A cleane oblation Sacrifice, from place where now the Sun doth rise, Vnto the setting of the same. O what is that, I pray thee name? If this be not the holy Masse, ile be a Protestant as I was: Wherefore resolue me speedily, if thou wilt haue my company.The Protestants answere.
SAint Ierome and Tertullian, or any other learned man, Writing on this short Prophecy, * 1.11preached by Prophet Malachy, Shall iudge in this for vs and you, who giues best sence and meaning true. We say it speakes of pure prayer, not of your Masse, but Christs Supper. And you to make poore soules your asse, doe say, it's meant of Popish Masse.Page [unnumbered]
The Papist proceedes.
IN th'eighteenth Psalme there it is found, [ 7] that the world shall heare their sound, That is to say, shall vnderstand, in euery Nation, Realme, and Land, That Rome, and eke the fayth of Rome, is vniuersall without doome. Go where you will the world throughout, and Rome is famous without doubt. And if this marke you doe not want, then presently I will recant.The Protestants answere.
THe Psalme for number you mistooke, Eighteene for nineteene in your booke: The sense thereof first literall: is meant of creatures great and small. And to the Romanes for the sound, is meant Gods word,* 1.12 which doth aboūd: And not for Popish doctrine taught, of which, in that age, no man thought. Therefore your sound, glory, and fame, is now nought else but open shame.Page [unnumbered]
The Church of Romes continuance.
The Papist proceedes.
[ 8] THis is another marke most sure, the fayth of Christ must still endure: According as our Sauiour sayd, when for Saint Peter once he prayd. Simon, thy faith shall neuer fayle: the gates of hell shall not preuayle: The holy Ghost your Comforter, he shall remayne with you euer: And my selfe, your surest friend, will be with you to the worlds end.The Protestants answere.
VVE graunt, the trueth must stil endure: but of this one thing let's be sure: And that is, whether we, or you, doe hold the Fayth of Christ most true. * 1.13Your doctrine is a doung-hill heape of mans traditions, which did creepe * 1.14Into the Church, by some and some, vntil you had spoyled Christs Kingdome. Christs words to Peter you abuse: therefore your sense we doe refuse.Page [unnumbered]
The Papist proceedes.
SAint Paul doeth playnly write and say, [ 9] There shall be in the Church alway, Apostles, Prophets, and such like, that for the flocke of Christ shall seeke, And by their preaching bring them home, of Iewes & Gentiles, where they roame. Our Church haue these, and many moe, which labour thus, and bide much woe. If this be false, and not at Rome, then will I be conuerted soone.The Protestants answere.
SAint Paul in places three doeth showe,* 1.15 what men into the world should goe: And after those, of Pastours all, that should bring men frō Sathans thrall, In setled Congregation still, there to be taught Gods word and will.* 1.16 But as for Munks, for Priests, for Fryers, for Iesuites, and common lyers, They haue no warrant in Gods word, although they reigne with fire & sword.Page [unnumbered]
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5 The Church visible.
The Papist proceedes.
[ 10] THis is another marke most cleare, the Church of God must still appeare; And as a City on a hill, so must we see it flourish still; * 1.17And as a candle shining bright, so must Gods Church appeare in sight. Our Sauiour saith, If one offend, and will not by rebukes amend, Esteeme him as a wicked man, a Heathen or a Publican.The Protestants answere.
HOw long will Papists blinded be, in that which euery eye may see? The Church is called Militant, * 1.18and troubles it doth neuer want: So that sometimes as Sunne and Moone, it is eclip'st and hath her doome, In mans conceit to shine no more: but God againe doth her restore, * 1.19To shine and shew her beautie bright, to teach and censure men aright.Page [unnumbered]
6 Of Succession.
The Papist proceedes.
ANd is not that the Church most true, [ 11] wherein succeeded still in viewe,* 1.20 Of Bishops some two hundred three, as thou in Histories mayest see? Saint Peter first, and then the rest, which haue the people taught and blest? Shew me this marke once amongst you, and I will say your faith is true. If not, it is the Church of Rome, that I will cleaue vnto for doome.The Protestants answere.
FOR trueth, this your succession came from false Prophets euery one, From Balaams time vnto this day,* 1.21 with high Priests and such like alway, And holy Scripture doth describe the Pope with his condemned pride: And though you say he doth excell, yet he and you may burne in hell. Iohn in the Reuelation, writes of Romes desolation.Page [unnumbered]
7 Of their Vnity.
The Papist proceedes.
[ 12] THere is another marke also, by which the true Church you may know, And that indeede is Vnitie, set out in many a Similie By Christ our Sauiour, who foretold, of one Shepheard, and one sheepefold, One Spowse, one husband her to loue, one darling deare, and one fayre Doue: One fayth, one baptisme is heere, and no dissention dooth appeare.The Protestants answere.
THe name of Church, I know, you seeke, though euery way you be vnlike. By these your markes eche filth may proue, themselues to be Christs Church, & Doue. Eche sinne is spred vniuersall, it's visible to great and small: Idolaters haue Unity, and hypocrites Antiquity: * 1.22But Trueth, which euery one should bring, they and you want in euery thing.Page [unnumbered]
8 Their Holinesse.
The Papist proceedes.
YOu Protestants doe daily read, [ 13] in Nicen and Apostles Creed, The Church of God must holy bee, which we performe in each degree:* 1.23 Most holy men and sacrifice, sweet seruice and fine Ceremonies: Seuen Sacraments we haue alwaies, double and treble holy daies: Virgins and Saints, Martyrs and all, be ours, and you haue none at all.The Protestants answere.
GOds Church, we know, is sanctifide, by Christ his spirit, who is their guide, And holy dueties still they doe, on Sabboth daies and other too. But your vaine seruice we detest, your May-game pastimes and the rest:* 1.24 Your Popish Saints and votaries all, your traytrous Martyrs great & small. Nothing in you but Holynesse, when none commit more wickednesse.Page [unnumbered]
9 A speach touching heretikes, Schismatikes, &c.
[ 14] The Papist proceedes, and concludes with this speach.
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The Papist holds on his tale.
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The Protestants answere to the Papists large conclusion.
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Notes
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* 1.1
A verse ad∣ded, to make the matter full in the Pa∣pists spéech
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* 1.2
Of sects.
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* 1.3
1. Cor. 11.19.
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* 1.4
That is, England, & Ireland.
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* 1.5
In Synopsis Papismi, printed 1600. where 500. here∣sies are sound in Popery.
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* 1.6
Ier. 14.14 Ma. 28.19 20.
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* 1.7
Iesuits doctrine. Ma. 23.15.
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* 1.8
Ro. 1.7, 8.
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* 1.9
Looke the pagent of Popes made by Io. Studly
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* 1.10
Reue. 18.
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* 1.11
Mal. 1.11.
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* 1.12
Ro. 10.18.
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* 1.13
Mat. 15.1, to 10. & 23. to the end.
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* 1.14
Looke M. Beacons booke, enti∣tuled, The reliques of Rome.
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* 1.15
Rom. 1••.6 1. Cor. 12.2 Ephe. 4.11
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* 1.16
Note well. Act. 20.20
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* 1.17
This is spo¦ken of the Ministers of ye church, and not of the Church it selfe.
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* 1.18
Zac. 13.7. 1 Ki. 19.14
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* 1.19
Mat. 2.16, 17.
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* 1.20
Read for disproofe of this, yt coun¦cil of Hip∣po, & the 3. councill of Carthage.
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* 1.21
Numb. 22. & 23.
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* 1.22
Note, I pray you.
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* 1.23
Pro. 27.2. teacheth you ano∣ther lesson.
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* 1.24
It is no bet∣ter, if you marke it well.
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* 1.25
And like vilde Ruffi∣ans, Swash bucklers or Cauiliers.
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* 1.26
Ma. 13.3, 4
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* 1.27
We are not Iudges in this mat∣ter, we leaue them to God.
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* 1.28
Note this his impu∣dency and slaunder.
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* 1.29
God did preserue his word at all times, Ier. 37.23.
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* 1.30
Iohn. 10.
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* 1.31
It is more thē euer he did challēge
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* 1.32
Faith is ye gift of God, no man can giue it, Ia. 1.17.
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* 1.33
Note the line of A∣men.
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* 1.34
Mat. 7.15.
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* 1.35
Ier. 23.21.
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* 1.36
Ioh. 10.8.
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* 1.37
Ma. 23.14 2. Tim. 3.6
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* 1.38
Iosua. 9.2.
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* 1.39
Ma. 23.25 Note.
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* 1.40
Heb. 4.12.
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* 1.41
That is, when you wallowed in ye sinnes of Popery.
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* 1.42
Ma. 24.12.
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* 1.43
Lu. 12.19. Phil. 3.19. Am. 6.1, 2.
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* 1.44
Note well.
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* 1.45
1. Cor. 7.1, 2 Si non ca∣ste, &c. was your doctrine. Look Bales votaries. Looke Bels motiues. Looke Sy∣nopsis Pa∣pismi.
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* 1.46
Cant. 2.15 1. Pe. 2.22
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* 1.47
Luke 11.39, 40, 41, 42.
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* 1.48
As appea∣reth by your par∣dons extāt.
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* 1.49
The Pa∣pists would haue vs say yt our fayth was but 600. yeres old: but we say, it is frō Adams time, & not interrupted till Phocas time.
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* 1.50
Io. 6.68. & 12.48.
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* 1.51
Mat. 23. Psal. 19.7.
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* 1.52
2. Tim. 3.15, 16, 17.
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* 1.53
In ye Apos∣tles time, & in Pho∣cas the Emperors time more fully.
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* 1.54
Read the Acts & Mo∣numents, with other stories.
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* 1.55
Looke Be∣da, Eusebi∣us, Iewel & Foxes book
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* 1.56
2. Tim. 3.9
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* 1.57
1. Ki. 19.14.
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* 1.58
Dan. 9.1.
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* 1.59
Reue. 12.1. Acts. 8.
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* 1.60
Mat. 2.27.
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* 1.61
Acts. 4.
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* 1.62
The first 10 persecutiōs and others since.
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* 1.63
2. The. 2.
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* 1.64
Mat. 5.
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* 1.65
Looke Bea∣cons booke of the Re∣liques of Rome.
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* 1.66
The an∣swere is made by a∣nother question. Esay. 9.7. Reue. 2.27 1. Co. 15.25
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* 1.67
Ioh. 10.16. Psal. 2.9.
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* 1.68
Papists cā burne ye bo∣dies of mē, & yet make complaynt for their su∣perstitious Temples of lyme & stone. Deut. 7.5. Lu. 13.34. 2. Kin. 18.4
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* 1.69
Gen. 12.1. Note this ye Papists. We are bound to praise God for ye light of his truth, whatsoeuer our fathers did.
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* 1.70
The wolfe doth aske of the sheep, where he is, when he hath the shéep in his clawes.
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* 1.71
Lu. 11.47, 48, to 52. Mat. 25.
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* 1.72
Reue. 20. & 2.4, 20. & 6.9, 10. & 3.16, 17, 18, 19.
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* 1.73
God kept ye Scripture, as in Iere∣mies time, when Ie∣hudi the King burnt it, Ier. 37.23. 1. Sam. 5.1, 2.
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* 1.74
Acts. 20. Tit. 1.5. 1. Kin. 2.35 Not by gi∣uing impo∣sition of hands: but by com∣maunding some that were in ye function, to doe it.
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* 1.75
Those that forsooke Popery, & were con∣tēt to labor in ye Gospel to their po∣wers, they had place only, & not all without respect of gifts or re∣pentance.
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* 1.76
D.W. pag. 143, & 144 to T. C. in this poynt. printed 1574.
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* 1.77
Read Ie∣wels reply to H. pag. 167.
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* 1.78
Ro. 15.19.
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* 1.79
An admo∣nition to all yt wauer and halt be∣twéene two opinions.
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* 1.80
A Prayer necessary for al to vse.