An apologie fully aunsvveringe by Scriptures and aunceant doctors, a blasphemose book gatherid by D. Steph. Gardiner, of late Lord Chauncelar, D. Smyth of Oxford, Pighius, and other papists, as by ther books appeareth and of late set furth vnder the name of Thomas Martin Doctor of the Ciuile lawes (as of himself he saieth) against the godly mariadge of priests Wherin dyuers other matters which the papists defend be so confutid, that in Martyns ouerthrow they may see there own impudency and confusion. By Iohn Ponet Doctor of diuinitie and Busshhop of Winchester.

The fift Chapter. Of the good name superintendent / and of the names of ministers deuisid by the Po¦pe and his adherents / with the somme of Martins reason conteyned in his first chapter. (Book 5)

ANd further wheras it pleasith mar¦tyn not only in this place but also herafter to gest at the name of Su¦perintendent / * 1.1 he sheweth himself bent to condempne all things that be good / tho∣ughe in so doinge he can not avoyde his open shame. Who knoweth not that the name Busshop hath so been abusid / that when it was spoken the peple vnder¦stode

nothinge els but a great lord / tha•• went in a whyte rochet / with a wyde sha••uen crown / and that carieth an oyle box•• with him / wherwith he vseth ōce in sea••uen yeres rydinge about to confirme chi••dren / etc. Now to bringe the peple fro•• this abuse / what better means cā be de∣uisid / then to teach the peple ther error by another word out of the scriptures / of the same signification? which thing by the terme (superintendēt) wold in tyme haue been well brought to passe. For the or∣dinary paynes of suche as were called su∣perintendents / shuld haue taught the pe∣ple to vnderstand the dewtie of there bus∣hop / which you Papists wold fayne haue hidden from them. And the word (su¦perintēdent) being a very latin word ma¦de English by vse / should in tyme haue ta¦ught the peple by the very etymologie & and proper significatiō / what thīge was ment when they hard that name / which by this terme Bushop / could not so well be donne / by reason that bushops in the time of Popery were ouerseers in name / but not in deed. So that there doinge could not teache the peple there names / neither what they shuld loke for at there bushops hāds. For the name bushop / spo¦ken

amongest the vnlerned / signified to ••em nothinge lesze then a preacher of Gods word / because there was not / nor 〈◊〉〈◊〉 any thinge more rare in any order of ••cclesiasticall parsons / then to see a busz∣••••op preache: Wherof the doīgs of the po¦••ishe buszhops of England can this day ••itnes / but the name (superintendent) ••hould make him ashamed of his negli∣••ence / and a frayd of his ydelnes / know∣••ng that Saint Paule doth call apon him ••o attēd to himself & to his whole flock / * 1.2 Of the which sentēce our bushops mark ••he first peece right well (that is) to take ••ede to them selues / but they be so deafe ••hat they can not herkē to the second (that ••s) to look to there flock: I denie not but ••hat the name (busshop) may be well ta∣••ē / but because the euelnes of the abuse / hath marrid the goodnes of the word it can not be denied but that it was not a∣misse to ioyne for a tyme another word with it in his place / wherby to restore ••hat abusid word to his right significati¦on. And the name (superintēdēt) is such a name that the Papists themselues (sau∣inge such as lack both lerninge & wit) can not fynde falt withall.* 1.3 For Peresi∣us the spaniard / & an Archepapist / (ou••

of whom Martin hath stolē a great part•• of his boke) speaking of a buszhop saieth Primum Episcopi munus nomē ipsum praese fert, quod est superintendere: Episcopus enim super••intendens interpretatur, uisitans aut superuidens•• that is to say. The chefe office of a bushop by interpretatiō / signifieth a Superin∣tendent / * 1.4 a Visitor or an Ouerseer. Why did not Martyn aswell steale this peece outof Peresius as he did steale all the cō••mon places that he hath for the profe of the Cannons of the Apostels / and of Tra¦ditions in his second and third chapters? And also the most parte of all the authori¦ties that be there patched together / and most fasly and vnlernedly wrythed / from gods treuth out of the generall counsels and old wryters through out his booke. None be more blynde then they whose ey∣es be put out with malice.* 1.5 Martyn in the 88 leafe is not ashamed in his booke to deuide the significatiōs of the termes (busshop) & (superintendent) as thoughe the one were not signified by the other.

But it may be that Martyn ād the rest of the popishe sect / wold not haue the na∣me of (Superintendent) or Minister vsid / lest that name whiche did put the peple in re∣membraunce of sacrificīge and bludsup∣pinge

should be forgotten.* 1.6 Blyndnes 〈◊〉〈◊〉 ignoraunce is the rediest way to brin∣••e the heresie of the Papists into estima∣••••on. wherfore when the peple is most ••lynde / thē shall these heretiques be most ••stemed. We Christiās vse no words nor ••earmes commonly in setting furth the ••cclesiasticall ord of prayers or in the mi∣••istration of the holy Sacraments / or in ••aming the ministers therof / or of any o∣••her thinge therunto belonginge / onles we haue some ground of scripture aswell for the name / as for the thinge. yet that not withstandinge / the reader may see we can not auoyd the bytīge of ther malicio∣se mouthes. But I pray the good read ••oke againe on the other syde / what a nō∣••••er of things and names they haue deui∣sed / & daily do deuise / without any groūd either of God or of good men.* 1.7 Oh how the Papists wold triumph ouer vs / ifthei had like profe for the names & things of there diuisinge / for the names (I say) of Pope / Cardinal / legat / suffragan / Cannō Prebendary / Monke / Non̄e / Heremet / Anchor / Chanon / ffryer / and all the rest of the vyprose generation and ofspringe of the Pope / as we that professe Christ / ha¦ue for the maintaince of the termes and

names of (Superintendent) minister•• Seniors / Elders / Brethren / & suche lik•• by vs vsid? But this help of the scripture•• not withstandinge they lak / yet is no•• Martin & his felowes ashamed to char∣ge our names / which begā with the new Testament / with the reproche of newnes / geuinge to the names of there own deui∣singe / the prayse of old Antiquitie / tho∣ughe suche names were not knowen to the church of Christ / many hundreth ye∣res after Christs ascension. Wherfore thow mayst see good reader / that they a∣buse thyne eares whē they say there doc∣trine is the elder / empeachinge our doc∣trine with the reproche of newnes. And therwith thow mayst also perceaue / that this is one of there sleyghts wherby to begg of the / our discredit and there owne estimation. With whiche inconuenien∣ce I thought good to meet in the begin∣ninge / because Martins rayling pen is euer busy with this practise. Now to pro¦cede / I will reherse Martyn / whyles he wandreth stryuinge to proue by sundry places of Doctors patched together wit¦hout either ground / or good order: that heresy / and lechory be cōmonly ioyned to∣gether. Wherin I wold not greatly ha∣ue

stand with him yf he wold haue delt plainely / trewly / and syncerely. But he hath cast suche a mist before the eyes of the reader with cryēg out (heresy lechory thefe and traytor) that no man lyuinge wold iudge any man of so impudent o ••pirite / thus shamelesly to abuse suche a∣••iose names against the giltles / when he & his felowes (the treuthe beinge kno∣wen) be of all men lyuinge most faultye ••n those vyces. Neuertheles when I con¦••ider the prophecies spokē before / of this wicked generatiō I cease maruaylinge & perceaue well that they must needs be of that sort and nomber whom the scryp∣••ure nameth painted sepulchres / the com¦••any of syn̄ers / The churche malignant / The Synagoge of Sathan / * 1.8 Trees with ••ut frute dumm dogges / deaf Serpents (as the scripture reporteth / of suche) wol¦••es / Beares / Lyōs / Add's frye / false pro¦••hets / false Apostles / infideles / wearers of whores faces / The companiōs of the ••es / Murtherers of the Saints of God ••he enemies of the Crosse of Christe / the ••ompany of dissemblers / and the churche ••f hypocrytes etc. These names I know Martin and his felowes will refuse / be ••ause they loue nothinge worse then the

trew confession whiche is the testimony of right repentance. And because all these names may well be includid vnder the name of (Heretique) wherwith am∣ongst other Martyn so often / and so hor∣riblye barketh against us: I haue tho∣ught good before I procede further / to io¦ine with Martyn and all the rest of his sect for tryall wheather of vs be most worthy of the name (heretique.) And in conclusion / when it shall appeare by play¦ne demōstratiō whether of vs both is the heretique in deed / let then him haue lecho¦ry / & theft / and Treason / and what other vyce ye will an̄exid vnto him in the name of God. For I am contentid also to graūt to Martyn to help him forward that vy∣ces be lyncked / and coupled as vertewes together.* 1.9 For Saint Iames saieth he that offendeth in one / offendeth in all / for so muche as he becom̄eth gylty of all. Wherby thow mayst see good read / that Martyn nedeth not to haue stand long a¦bout the profe of this point .i. (that here∣sie & lechory be cōmonly ioyned to gether) for it is prouid by S. Iames / that vyces hange of suche sort together that whoso

••••fendeth in one mai be charged with all ••••e other: Therfor should Martyn ha∣•••• left of this vnnecessary labor / if he min¦•••• to touche maried priests / and should ••ther haue trauayled in the profe of his ••inor / that is to say that maried priest•• 〈◊〉〈◊〉 heretiques / And that those two vyces ••••resy and lechory meet together in all ••aried priests. But this thing Mar∣•••••• hath left vndone / by means wherof ••••s cauillatiō is discouerid / Yea and it is ••••rteine that many olde heriques lyuide ••astly touchinge the body. Yet that this ••••inge may more euidently appeare vn∣••••the / I will sett brefly before thine eies ••••e whole som̄e of this reason / which he ••••tendeth at large / but hydeth notwith∣••••dinge from thee / the minor or mean pro¦••••sitiō: because he can not proue it / Thus 〈◊〉〈◊〉 reasoneth.* 1.10 Heresy and lechory becom 〈◊〉〈◊〉 only ioyned together: but all maried ••••iests be heretiques / ergo they be lech∣••••s or cōtrary they be lechors / ergo / they 〈◊〉〈◊〉 here••iques. This is his very reason ••••sence. Now let it be grauntid / that ••••resy and lechory be commonly ioyned ••••gether / yet if he wold by means of

there coniunctiō charge the maried 〈◊〉〈◊〉 with the one (that is to say) with 〈◊〉〈◊〉 / then must he by demonstration 〈◊〉〈◊〉 them gylty of the other / that is to 〈◊〉〈◊〉 of heresy / or els this reason conclud•• nothinge. And this demōstration sho•••••• be the profe of his Minor / whiche in•••• this discourse is no whit prouid. Yt 〈◊〉〈◊〉 be that you wold couer the folishnes 〈◊〉〈◊〉 your reason with the term (common•••• but that term (as you haue placid it) 〈◊〉〈◊〉 you to no purpose / onles it signi•••• (allway). For in the tytell of your 〈◊〉〈◊〉 chapter you say that Heresy & lechory 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the ōli causes of priests mariadges wh••••rupon it should folow (if you had prou•••• it) that all maried priests / not only co••••monly be / but all be / lechors and heret••••ques / or els would they neauer marr•••• which generall / being by one particul•••• improuid / as it is plainly by the mari••••ge of the Apostels / etc▪ your term (co••••monly can serue to no purpose / but 〈◊〉〈◊〉 the profe of a common lye / for your d••••fense. And further your term (co••••mōly) not taken for (all) maketh your r••••ason to be from a particular to a gene••••all / Vinuersaliter ād so vsinge a subteltie 〈◊〉〈◊〉

••••••histry calllid fallatia consequentis ye play 〈◊〉〈◊〉 plaine bablinge Sophister / * 1.11 whiche 〈◊〉〈◊〉 must be your reward for your wyse 〈◊〉〈◊〉. And on the other syde if ye vse 〈◊〉〈◊〉 terme (commonly) for allwaies then 〈◊〉〈◊〉 your ground be / that heresy and 〈◊〉〈◊〉 be alwaies ioined together / wher¦••n it should folow that all whores / ād ••••remongers be heretiques / but that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 not be / for ye know wel enough that 〈◊〉〈◊〉 of your virgin preests may be / * 1.12 & ••ith you / both Sodomittes / ād who ••••ngers / and yet as long as they ma∣••••••ot / be no heretiques but Catholique 〈◊〉〈◊〉 and good virgin priests still / as 〈◊〉〈◊〉 & virgins goe in the Popes 〈◊〉〈◊〉. And it were a great inconueni∣•••••••• that the pope and dyuers busshops 〈◊〉〈◊〉 kepe boyes for filthīes against kyn¦••nd that dyuers of the chefe Doctors ••ngland and other should for lechory ••••llid either heretiques / or no virgīs· ••nd it should folow also (amongest a 〈◊〉〈◊〉 nomber of other whome I both cā will name / * 1.13 if either I be further dry∣••••o trauaile in this argument / or els ••aue that this booke be forbidden 〈◊〉〈◊〉 may not be red). Master D. Mar ••••mself should be an heretique for ke¦kepinge

Alice lamme at the Christop•••• in Oxforde. And doctor Stories 〈◊〉〈◊〉 lawyer also for kepinge Madge Bo••••er in Cramphole / et cetera.

Notes

• * 1.1

  That Martin maliciosly gest¦eth at the good name of super∣intendent.
• * 1.2

  Act. xx.
• * 1.3

  The Papist Peresius parte tertia aloweth the terme of su∣perintendent.
• * 1.4

  Martyn hath stolen common places out of Peresius the spanish Papist
• * 1.5

  Martin in the lxxx••iij. leaf of his booke.
• * 1.6

  The Papists do studie to dri∣ue men from knowledge to ig¦noraunce.
• * 1.7

  The Papists find fault with the names diui∣sid by the holy gost.

  The papists ha¦ue no scripture for the defence of the names of there own sha∣uelings.
• * 1.8

  The right na∣mes of the Pa∣pistes.
• * 1.9

  I••••. 2.
• * 1.10

  Martins reason.

  Martin fai∣letht in the profe of this minor.
• * 1.11

  The logique of the Papistes standeth in fal∣lacious.
• * 1.12

  Incōueniences that shoulde fo∣lowe if all le∣chors were here¦tiques.
• * 1.13

  D. Martin. D. Stories madge bow••er in cramphole in Oxforth.