The suruey of popery vvherein the reader may cleerely behold, not onely the originall and daily incrementes of papistrie, with an euident confutation of the same; but also a succinct and profitable enarration of the state of Gods Church from Adam vntill Christs ascension, contained in the first and second part thereof: and throughout the third part poperie is turned vp-side downe.

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The suruey of popery vvherein the reader may cleerely behold, not onely the originall and daily incrementes of papistrie, with an euident confutation of the same; but also a succinct and profitable enarration of the state of Gods Church from Adam vntill Christs ascension, contained in the first and second part thereof: and throughout the third part poperie is turned vp-side downe.
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Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610.
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London :: Printed by Valentine Sims dwelling on Adling hill at the signe of the white Swanne,
1596.
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"The suruey of popery vvherein the reader may cleerely behold, not onely the originall and daily incrementes of papistrie, with an euident confutation of the same; but also a succinct and profitable enarration of the state of Gods Church from Adam vntill Christs ascension, contained in the first and second part thereof: and throughout the third part poperie is turned vp-side downe." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A07919.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 13, 2024.

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The answer.

I say first, that I graunt Christes true body and his true [ 1] bloud to be in the eucharist, but not vnder accidents with∣out subiects; nor corporally, and carnally, but in a diuine, spi∣rituall, and mysticall sort. Neither doth saint Chrysostome, S. Cyprian, saint Austen, or anie other ancient father, speake one word of your carnall reall presence, or once name your acci∣dents without subiects. No, they teach no other doctrine,

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then that which I willingly imbrace.

Now that Saint Chrysostome speaketh of a mysticall pre∣sence, his owne wordes following within a few lines, shall witnesse the same with me.* 1.1 Thus he saith: Et propter te frangi sustinet, vt omnes satiet; And he suffereth to be broken for thee, that he may satiate all. Thus saith this holy father. By whose words it is cleare, that hee meaneth Christ to be no otherwise present, then he affirmeth him to be broken. And if any papist wil say, that Christs bones are otherwise broken then in a my∣sterie; then must the same papist tell me, howe Christs body can be glorious and not mortall:* 1.2 then must be tell me, how it chauceth, that I can not feele and see Christs bones and flesh. For so Christ prooued the veritie of his body to his disciples; Handle me (saith Christ) and see:* 1.3 for a spirite hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me haue. Then must he tel me, to what end he sent the comforter in his steede,* 1.4 if himselfe be still on earth a∣mong vs. For himselfe saith: If I goe not away, the com∣forter will not come vnto you: but if I depart, I wil send him to you.* 1.5 Then must he tell me, how Christ is not alwaies with vs, since as they say, their round cakes do neuer wāt him. For himselfe saith: Yee haue the poore alwaies with you, but mee shall ye not haue alwaies. Then must hee tell me, howe acci∣dents can be without a subiect,* 1.6 since S. Austen saith, that if qualities be takē from the bodies, they loose their being. Then must he tel me what scripture saith, that Christs body which was visible before his ascension,* 1.7 visible in his ascension, and shal continue visible in heauen till his second aduent; is for all that daily and hourely in infinite popish cakes; and after an in∣uisible and insensible maner: then must he tel me, how Christs bodie being like to ours in all things,* 1.8 sinne excepted, can ne∣uerthelesse be in many places at once: then must hee tell me, how Christs body is not a phantasticall body, as Marcion and the Manichees held: for Saint Austen saith, that Christs true body can be but in some one place of heauen;* 1.9 Vbi (inquit) totum praesentem esse non dubites tanquam deum, & in eodem templo Dei esse tanquam inhabitantem Deum, & in loco aliquo coeli propter veri corporis modum. Thou must not doubt (saith saint Austen) that Christ is wholie present euerie where as God,

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and in the same temple of God as God inhabiting it, and in some one place of heauen for the maner of a true body. Lo, this graue father telleth vs, that Christ as god is euery where; but in respect of his true body, he is only in heauen, and in some certaine place of heauen: Only in heauen,* 1.10 because the scripture sayth, that he shal be there till the worlds end: in some certaine place of heauen, to declare the nature and veritie of a true bo∣dy. So then, if he were present as the papists would haue him, his body shuld loose the nature & veritie, of a true body indeede.

I say secondly, that Saint Chrysostome expoundeth his owne [ 2] meaning most plainely,* 1.11 when hee saith that Christ in his last supper, gaue the fruit of the vine to his disciples. His words are before alleaged, and are flat contrarie to these other heere obiected, vnlesse they be glossed as I say.

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