The encounter against M. Parsons, by a revievv of his last sober reckoning, and his exceptions vrged in the treatise of his mitigation. Wherein moreouer is inserted: 1. A confession of some Romanists, both concerning the particular falsifications of principall Romanists, as namely, Bellarmine, Suarez, and others: as also concerning the generall fraude of that curch, in corrupting of authors. 2. A confutation of slaunders, which Bellarmine vrged against Protestants. 3. A performance of the challenge, which Mr. Parsons made, for the examining of sixtie Fathers, cited by Coccius for proofe of Purgatorie ... 4. A censure of a late pamphlet, intituled, The patterne of a Protestant, by one once termed the moderate answerer. 5. An handling of his question of mentall equiuocation (after his boldnesse with the L. Cooke) vpon occasion of the most memorable, and feyned Yorkeshire case of equiuocating; and of his raging against D. Kings sermon. Published by authoritie

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The encounter against M. Parsons, by a revievv of his last sober reckoning, and his exceptions vrged in the treatise of his mitigation. Wherein moreouer is inserted: 1. A confession of some Romanists, both concerning the particular falsifications of principall Romanists, as namely, Bellarmine, Suarez, and others: as also concerning the generall fraude of that curch, in corrupting of authors. 2. A confutation of slaunders, which Bellarmine vrged against Protestants. 3. A performance of the challenge, which Mr. Parsons made, for the examining of sixtie Fathers, cited by Coccius for proofe of Purgatorie ... 4. A censure of a late pamphlet, intituled, The patterne of a Protestant, by one once termed the moderate answerer. 5. An handling of his question of mentall equiuocation (after his boldnesse with the L. Cooke) vpon occasion of the most memorable, and feyned Yorkeshire case of equiuocating; and of his raging against D. Kings sermon. Published by authoritie
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Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659.
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London :: Printed [by W. Stansby at Eliot's Court Press] for Iohn Bill,
1610.
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Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. -- Quiet and sober reckoning with M. Thomas Morton -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"The encounter against M. Parsons, by a revievv of his last sober reckoning, and his exceptions vrged in the treatise of his mitigation. Wherein moreouer is inserted: 1. A confession of some Romanists, both concerning the particular falsifications of principall Romanists, as namely, Bellarmine, Suarez, and others: as also concerning the generall fraude of that curch, in corrupting of authors. 2. A confutation of slaunders, which Bellarmine vrged against Protestants. 3. A performance of the challenge, which Mr. Parsons made, for the examining of sixtie Fathers, cited by Coccius for proofe of Purgatorie ... 4. A censure of a late pamphlet, intituled, The patterne of a Protestant, by one once termed the moderate answerer. 5. An handling of his question of mentall equiuocation (after his boldnesse with the L. Cooke) vpon occasion of the most memorable, and feyned Yorkeshire case of equiuocating; and of his raging against D. Kings sermon. Published by authoritie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A07805.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 21, 2025.

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SECT. I.
My former discharge.

1.

I Made bould to cite Polydore, to shew that Popes of later times had their names chan∣ged by Antiphrasis, that is, a contrariety, as being unciuil to be called Vrbanus, &c. Vpon this M. Parsons grew very violent, saying, The Minister hath neither simplicity nor truth, but a * 1.1 lost conscience, by calumniations fraught with deceitfulnesse and malice, laying this obseruation vpon Polydore, and ci∣ting no place.

The Charge against M. Parsons.

2. Since that I b 1.2 haue both cited the direct wordes, and al∣leaged the place, which his fellowes haue put out of their new Editions, and yet since hath M. Parsons 〈◊〉〈◊〉 char∣ged me with not citing of that, which, least it should be ci∣ted, they themselues haue blotted out of the booke: and now he reckoneth both for the Authour, and for the testimony it selfe.

M. PARSONS his Reckoning.

I had not that part of Polydore, Deinuentoribus Rerum, by me. * 1.3

The Reuiewe.

3.

Had you not Polydor by you, M. Parsons? wee shall try th's by your answere in your Mitigation. c 1.4 Let the iudi∣cious Readeriudge (say you) whether the Authour thereof be

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a Minister of simple truth; Polydore saith only that some∣time Popes, as other Princes, haue had names, which haue beene different and contrary to their nature.
Is this the tenure of an answerer, who saw not Polydore; to say that Polydore saith only, &c. But it may be M. Parsons, although he can∣not free himselfe from fraude, will escape the guilt of a lye by Equiuocation, saying that he saw not Polydore, meaning, with his heeles: otherwise to charge me with so infamous a falshood, in alleaging Polydore, when as yet he himselfe had not Polydore by him; doth in effect tell vs that M. Parsons, in answering, is sometime by himselfe. What further concer∣ning the booke.

Mr. PARSONS Reckoning.

ALbeit the wordes, which he saith he hath cited out of Polydor. de * 1.5 Jnuent. lib. 4. cap. 10. be not in any of our bookes now common∣ly extant, yet he saith that they are in the Edition of Basil An. 1570. and that two yeares after by Pope pius Quintus the Index Expur∣gatorius did put out these wordes: but he telleth not what Index it was, for I haue one containing both the Flemmish and Spanish Index, Printed at Basil An. 1544. wherein this obseruation is not found, which M. Morton saith was Printed Anno 1570. which was 26. yeares after. Whereof must needes be inferred, that either M. Morton dealeth not sincerely with vs in this matter (which yet I will not be so vnfreindly as to suspect) or that his Edition of 1570. (which hitherto I cannot see) hath receiued this addition about the Popes changing of their names after the foresaid Edition of 1544.

The Reueiwe.

4. Can M. Parsons possibly not suppose me to be insincere in this point, who hath challēged me for so egregious a falsi∣ficator in so many passages? either is he more credulous then he ought to be, or else am I more credible then he hath decy∣phered me to be. Howsoeuer, I haue little reason to credit a∣ny of his Reckonings: and euen in this very place he is in∣tollerable, for the bookes of Polydore which haue not that sentence in them haue (as he knoweth) beene much purged; as their owne booke, which is intituled, Index librorum pro∣hibitorum, that is, The Catalogue of bookes which haue beene

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prohibited, doth expresly shew, telling vs that, d 1.6The booke of Polydore, De Inuentoribus Rerum, is permitted, which was purged by the commaund of Pope Greg. 13. in the yeare 1576. How could he then but suspect, that such a sentence as this was blotted out?

5. Againe, I cited in the margent the Index Belgicus, which was printed Lugduni An. 1586. (pag. 195.) wherein these wordes, Extraà iocum, &c. and nine lines following are commaunded to be blotted out. Which euery one that will may finde in the auncient bookes of Polydore, and yet (as M. Parsons confesseth) is not in your new Editions: which sheweth that their new deuise of purging of bookes hath li∣censed them to belye the old.

M. PARSONS charging his Aduersary.

BVt let vs heare the wordes themselues, which M. Morton setteth * 1.7 downe as found in his Tolydore: Primus honos, &c. This is the first honour giuen to the Bishop of Rome after his creation (saith he) that if his name be not faire, he may change the same: as for example (which yet be not spoken but in iest) if before perhaps he had beene an euill doer, he may be called Bonifacius, that is a good doer; if he had beene fearefull, then may he be called Leo, a Lyon; if rusticall, then Vrbanus, or ciuill, &c. and the first Authour or beginner of this cu∣stome is said to haue beene Pope Sergius 2. whose name hauing beene before Os porci, which signifieth the mouth of an hogge, it was permitted vnto him (saith the supposed Polydore) for the auoiding the obseenitie of his former name, to change the same. These two thinges, that the first occasion of changing names should haue beene from Pope Sergius 2. hath no substance at all, Platina deliuereth it vpon report, 〈◊〉〈◊〉 confuteth it. Besides it is to be noted that Os porci is a sir∣name of a family, which no Pope is wont to change, but only his Chri∣stian or proper name, as of late when Hypolitus Aldobrandinus was cal∣led Clemens 8. hee changed not the name of Aldobrandinus, but of Hypolitus.

The Reuiewe.

6. Well, I am content to leaue your Authors in their con∣flict. Can you shew vs a reason, why he that will change his * 1.8 Christian name, will not also change his naturall name or sir∣name? Saul Iewish was changed into Paul Christian; Peter

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neuer left his name which Christ gaue him. Now for the Pope to reiect his name which he receiued in Baptisme as a token of his Christendome, this seemeth to be a prophane mistery.

Mr. PARSONS his Reckoning.

POlydore saith only (and in a iest) that some might be named by * 1.9 changing their names: Non extrà iocum dictum sit, that is, let it not be spoken without a iest. And Polydore saith only, Liceat mutare, they may change their names, but saith not that it was practized by any.

The Reuiew.

7. For Hystorians to report thinges in such manner, doth not imply that the matter was fabulous: Ridendo dicere ve∣rum, * 1.10 quis vetat? a man may laugh and tell a truth, as I might doe, in telling M. Parsons that I cannot without a iest ob∣serue the differences of translations, which he hath inuented in [Let not] and [May not,] as though there had beene craft herein. For I beseech you, Sir, when the Apostle, speaking against vnlawfull separation of the wife from her husband, saith, * 1.11 Let not the wife depart from her husband; if he had de∣liuered it thus: A wife may not depart from her husband, had these two differed any thing in sense? But why doe I hinder M. Parsons his sport, whose disposition is euen to play with a feather?

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