The Catholique triumph conteyning, a reply to the pretensed answere of B.C. (a masked Iesuite,) lately published against the Tryall of the New Religion. Wherein is euidently prooued, that Poperie and the doctrine now professed in the Romish church, is the new religion: and that the fayth which the Church of England now mayntaineth, is the ancient Romane religion.

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The Catholique triumph conteyning, a reply to the pretensed answere of B.C. (a masked Iesuite,) lately published against the Tryall of the New Religion. Wherein is euidently prooued, that Poperie and the doctrine now professed in the Romish church, is the new religion: and that the fayth which the Church of England now mayntaineth, is the ancient Romane religion.
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Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610.
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Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610. -- Bels trial examined.
Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
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"The Catholique triumph conteyning, a reply to the pretensed answere of B.C. (a masked Iesuite,) lately published against the Tryall of the New Religion. Wherein is euidently prooued, that Poperie and the doctrine now professed in the Romish church, is the new religion: and that the fayth which the Church of England now mayntaineth, is the ancient Romane religion." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A07770.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 2, 2024.

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The 14. Chapter: of Pope Martins Dis∣pensation, for the Brother to marrie his naturall Sister. (Book 14)

ALL that our Jesuite sayth in defence of Pope Martins Dispensation, is plaine silence in very deed. For albeit I soundly confuted the forerunner in my Booke, intituled, The Popes Fune∣ral, there answering to euery sen∣tence, word, and syllable, which B.C. in his forerunner possibly could deuise; yet S.R▪ that Learned Iesuite, in his pretensed Answere to the Downefull of Poperie, not able to withstand or gainesay the dint of my Authorities, Argumentes, and Reasons, passed ouer all the same, (being many, and of great consequence,) in deepe silence. In like manner, this Jesuite fearing to suf∣fer shipwracke vpon the same Rocke, is afraid now, ei∣ther to reply vpon mine Answere in the Funerall, or to answer my Authors plainely named in the Triall. I proo∣ued the Question soundly and clearely in the Popes Fu∣nerall, by the Authorities and plaine Testimonies of Sil∣uester Prieras, sometime Maister of the Popes sacred Pal∣lace, and a Fryer so learned, that he was surnamed, Abso∣lutus Theologus; of Bartholomaeus Fumus, a religious domi∣nican Fryer, a famous Popish summist,* 1.1 and a man of great Authoritie in the Holy house of popish Inquisition; of Angelus de Clauasio, a Papist of great learning and reputa∣tion, as who was Vicar generall of the Cismontani-Minors; of Cardinall Caietain, the most learned Papist of that crew; and of Martinus Nauarrus, a singular Writer, and a most famous popish Canonist. This notwithstanding, all the answere that can any way be extorted from the

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Jesuites Penne, is this, and no other; viz. that he hath an∣swered me in the Dolefull Knell. * 1.2Which answere, if it be pondered seriously with all the circumstaunces thereto apperteyning, is able of it selfe, (if nothing els could be said,) to ouerthrow Poperie, & to turne it vpside downe. Marke therefore (gentle Reader) very attentiuely, what I shall heere truely relate, as I will answere for it at the dreadfull day of Doome▪ the Iesuite B.C. in his Forerunner, hath these expresse words.* 1.3 He may very well liue to see it, and ye die much sooner then he would. Let him not be dis∣mayed, for I can assure him of mine owne knowledge, that our consciences do not condemne vs; * 1.4 neither do we know, that we are not able to performe as great a matter as that. To giue the more credite to my wordes, and somewhat to reuiue his dead spirits, I will heere giue him a note of the number of the Bookes, and their particular contentes: they be in all fiue, written against his Motiues and Suruey, fiue yeares agoe. Thus writeth the Jesuite B. C. in his Forerunner.* 1.5 To which let vs truely adde that, which the Jesuite E.O. writeth in his Detection against M. D. Sutclffe, and M. Willet: These are his expresse wordes. But I altered my purpose, partly vpon other considerati∣ons; but especially, because the Confutation of his worthy Workes is alreadie vndertaken, and to be published, if it shall be thought necessarie. Thus writeth E. O. that Lear∣ned man, as B. C. his brother Jesuite tearmeth him.

Now sir, (marke well for Christes sake,) the detector E. O. That coozening Iesuite telleth vs mordicùs, that the Confutation of my Bookes, was but vndertaken by his fellowes;* 1.6 when he published his Detection; that is to say, it was then concluded amongst his Breathren, that my Bookes should be answered. Hence commeth it, (it can not be denied,) that the supposed Answere to my Books, was in the yeare 1602. (for at that time was the Detection published) at the most but in fieri, not in facto esst; to speake as the Schooles doe: viz. the Answere was then but in

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hand, or in doing at the most; not done, or finished in very deed: Nay, it was but then resolued amongst them, (as I prooued in my Counterblast out of the prouinciall Garnets Letter,) that some Answere should be made vnto my Bookes. And therefore sayth the detector, that he was once determined to haue said something against my Bookes, but hearing that his fellowes were about the same matter, he altered his purpose. Heere is a most cooze∣ning legierdemain: heere the Iesuites play their partes, and shew themselues not onely egregious lyars and most cursed deceiuers; but also (as the secular Priestes write of them,) the most wicked men that liue vpon the earth, It was not without great cause, that the learned Papistes in France, published a Booke against them,* 1.7 which they teamed, The Iesuites Catechisme. In which Booke, they shew at large, that the further a Jesuite goes the lowder he lyes. An other Booke called, The franke Discourse,* 1.8 affir∣meth resolutely; that the Iesuites neuer harboured in their heartes any other proiect, but the subuertion of States, disauthorizing of Magistrates, and seducing of Subiectes from their naturall allegeance. In briefe, thus the case standeth. S. R. that learned Iesuite, affirmeth constantly, that at the publication of his Detection, * 1.9(which was in the yeare 1602.) my Bookes were not answered, but at the most in fieri, as is already said. B.C. that famous Jesuite sin∣geth an other song, and auoucheth peremptorily;* 1.10 that my Bookes (my Motiues and my Suruey) were answered, fiue yeares before he published his fore-runner: That is in plaine English, foure yeares before that time, in which his brother Jesuite elleth vs, that his fellowes were but aboue to answere them. And least it should be obiected against B. C. that bloody cutthroate, (for so may his name be, till he more plainely disclose it,) that his bro∣ther Jesuite S. R. accuseth him of a most notorious Lye therein: hee to preuent that Obiection, telleth vs, that the Answere is suppressed, and vpon iust occasion staied

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and not published.* 1.11 These are his expresse wordes, in the Contentes of his third Chapter. That Bels Bookes haue long since receiued their answere, & though vpon iust occasi∣on it hath hitherto bin suppressed; yet shortly by Gods grace to be set foorth. Thus discourseth the Fryer, for the ho∣nour and life of his Pope; which he manageth so gallant∣ly, as if his reward should be a Rope. These Jesuites their seuerall asseuerations,* 1.12 are much like to Sampson Foxes: their Tayles are fast tyed togeather, but their Heades are farre asunder. So then; this must needes be the conclu∣sion, though it imply a flat and plaine contradiction; viz. that my Motiues and Suruey were answered about tenne yeares agoe at the least; and yet vnanswered to this day. This in my conceipte is not onely a Riddle,* 1.13 but a plaine Jesuiticall Miracle. Yet such a Miracle euer vnderstand, as the Iesuites wrought vpon Sebastian the late King of Por∣tugall.* 1.14 Well, all the world may see by this their dealing, that they are at their wittes end, what to say or write; tur∣ning them selues this way, that way, and euery way, by coozening, lying, iugling, & by what other meanes they possibly can deuise; so to stay the out-cries of the people and their Popish vassals, for being so long silent touch∣ing the answere of my Bookes. Alasse, alasse; Who seeth not the nakednesse of late hatched Romish religion, to what impudent, desperate, & most damnable shiftes, are the Papistes driuē for the defence therof? How dare they confesse to the whole world, that they haue bin buzzing about the Answere of my Motiues and Suruey, for the space of sixe whole yeares or more; and that when they had framed their Answere after their best manner, they haue suppressed the same for the space of fiue years? The trueth is, that their falsely pretended Answere (which should consist of fiue Books) can not to this day befound extant in rerum natura. When the Iesuites and Seminaie-Priestes consulted with Garnet their Prouinciall, what course was best to be taken in hand for the Answere of

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my Bookes; because their silence in that behalfe, was ve∣rie dangerous to their Pope and Poperie: the Father Je∣suite hauing on his cappe of Consideration, answered very peremptorily, though neither clerkly nor honestly; That they must either not meddle with the matter at all, or else deale rather with my Person, then with my Doctrine. Yet he addeth very grauely these words;* 1.15 Neuerthelesse, for this matter, as yee shall all agree: for I doubt not, but so many, and such, will see what is best. Where wee haue to obserue by the way, in perpetuam rei memoriam▪ that not one onely Iesuite or Seminarie-priest writeth against mee, but euen the whole broode, tagge and ragge, haue bent their Bowes to shoote their Arrowes at mee. For, though one odde Companion be singled out to take the quarrell in hand, and to penne the Answere;* 1.16 yet is the same fellow garded and assisted, with the ioynt counsell, aduise, iudgement, and helpe of all the rest. But to what end is this my digression? Doubtlesse, to insinuate to the Reader; that seeing I can neither see, nor yet learne who hath seene this dolefull Knell,* 1.17 to which I must resort for Answere; I can not but thinke, that it is hid vnder a Pip∣kin, so to be kept from Sun-burning; euen as the other Fiue Bookes are, prepared so many yeares agoe. How∣beit, if either it, or any other Booke shall happen to come to my handes (while God shall of his great mercie graunt me life, health, and sight, the two last whereof, doe in an hie degree begin to fayle me,) it shall (God willing) re∣ceiue a speedy Answere. Let this Jesuite and all the rest, so perswade them-selues; as also, that God giueth me comfort more then a litle, in all my conflictes against them.

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