The reasons of a pastors resolution, touching the reuerend receiuing of the holy communion: written by Dauid Lindesay, D. of Diuinitie, in the Vniuersitie of Saint Andrewes in Scotland, and preacher of the gospell at Dundy
About this Item
Title
The reasons of a pastors resolution, touching the reuerend receiuing of the holy communion: written by Dauid Lindesay, D. of Diuinitie, in the Vniuersitie of Saint Andrewes in Scotland, and preacher of the gospell at Dundy
Author
Lindsay, David, d. 1641?
Publication
London :: Printed by George Purslowe, for Ralph Rounthwaite, and are to be sold at his shop in Pauls Church-yard, at the signe of the Golden Lyon,
1619.
Rights/Permissions
To the extent possible under law, the Text Creation Partnership has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above, according to the terms of the CC0 1.0 Public Domain Dedication (http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/). This waiver does not extend to any page images or other supplementary files associated with this work, which may be protected by copyright or other license restrictions. Please go to http://www.textcreationpartnership.org/ for more information.
Subject terms
Church of Scotland -- Customs and practices -- Early works to 1800.
Lord's Supper -- Church of Scotland -- Early works to 1800.
Posture in worship -- Early works to 1800.
Link to this Item
http://name.umdl.umich.edu/A05533.0001.001
Cite this Item
"The reasons of a pastors resolution, touching the reuerend receiuing of the holy communion: written by Dauid Lindesay, D. of Diuinitie, in the Vniuersitie of Saint Andrewes in Scotland, and preacher of the gospell at Dundy." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A05533.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 16, 2024.
Pages
descriptionPage 171
SECT. II. The Kneeling offendeth not the weake
Brethren.
AS for our weake brethren, it is
not the introduction of Knee∣ling
that maketh them to offend, of
whom I haue heard many affirm, that
there is no gesture that can sufficient∣ly
expresse the reuerence and respect
that in this action they owe to
God: If patiently wee can abide to
heare the truth, the verity is, there is
nothing that giueth such offence to
the people, as our contentions a∣mongst
our selues, while we pretend
the offence of the people. When
they see Cephas incensed against Paul,
and Paul against Cephas, Pastor a∣gainst
Pastor, for Sitting and Knee∣ling;
what can the simple people
thinke, but that in these Ceremonies
the substance of Religion consisteth,
descriptionPage 172
and that the change of these is the al∣teration
of Religion, seeing we make
so much adoe about them? If we did
informe our people, as our duty is,
that the Kingdome of God is nei∣ther
in Sitting, Standing nor Knee∣ling,
but that these are indifferent
Ceremonies, that may bee vsed and
not vsed; vsed in some Churches,
and not vsed in others; vsed in some
ages, and not vsed in others; vsed by
some persons, and not vsed by o∣thers;
as may serue best for edificati∣on:
That the reformed Church of
France that Standeth, when they re∣reiue
the Sacrament, differeth not in
any substantiall point of Religion,
from our Church that Sate; and the
Church of England that Kneeleth,
differeth not from the Church of
France, nor vs when we Sate, and they
stood: And therefore that now when
we shall Kneele, wee shall differ no∣thing
from our selues, when we Sate,
in any substantiall and necessarie
descriptionPage 173
point or Ceremony, that belongeth
to this sacred action. If this wee
would informe the people, and cease
from contention, there would be no
scandall taken by them. Caluin. Inst.
lib. 4. cap. 10 sect. 30. God would not
(saith the learned Diuine) in externall
Ceremonies and Discipline prescribe
particularly what we ought to follow, be∣cause
he foresaw, that to depend from the
condition of times, neither did he iudge
one forme agreeable to all ages. Heere
then (saith he) wee must flye to the gene∣rall
rules, which God hath giuen, that
according to them may be defined what∣soeuer
the necessity of the Church requi∣reth
to bee appointed for order and de∣cency.
Finally, seeing God hath set downe
nothing expresly, because they are nei∣ther
necessary to saluation, and are di∣uersly
to be applyed to the manners of e∣uery
age, and for the edification of the
Church: It is lawful, as the vtility of the
Church shall require, as well to change
and abrogate those that haue beene in
descriptionPage 174
vse, as to appoint new Ceremonies. I con∣fesse
indeed, that we should not run rashly
and for light motiues to nouation: but
what may hurt, & what may edifie, cha∣rity
can best iudge: Quam si moderatricē
partiemur, salua erunt omnia. Which
charity if we can suffer to be modera∣trix,
all things shal be in safety and go
well. The same Author immediately
before speaking of Kneeling, saith,
that in the generall, it is commanded by
God, but the speciall determination
when and where, and in what cases it is
to be vsed, is left to the arbiterment of
the Church. If the vse of this Cere∣mony,
which is appointed by God
himselfe, be left to the determination
of the Church, shall Standing or Sit∣ting
be exempted from their iudge∣ment,
Ceremonies that are not pre∣scribed
by God? It is true, that for
Standing wee haue some examples,
but no rule nor precept, except it bee
for the Priests Standing at the Altar,
when he did offer the Sacrifice. In
descriptionPage 175
the publike worship of God, such as
sacrificing and praying, I find not
Sitting to haue been vsed. As for the
Passeouer, it was sacrificed publike∣ly,
but was eaten in priuate houses, as
another ordinary supper, whereat for
commodity and ease, they were ac∣customed
to Sit. Moses, when he was
wearie of Standing, Exod. 17. 12.
was set on a Stone. Heere the Cere∣mony
giueth place to Charity, and
the seruice was not ordinary, but mi∣raculous
and extraordinary, 1. Kings
19. 4. Elias likewise being wearie,
did sit downe vnder a Iuniper Tree,
vbi expetebat cum animo suo: Tremelli∣us
interprets Secum, where he desired
in his heart to dye, and said, It is e∣nough,
Lord, take my soule. This pray∣er
is made in a secret place, and see∣meth
to haue been a priuy Meditati∣on,
2. Samuel 7. 18. Our Translation
hath, that Dauid went in, and Sate be∣fore
the Lord. The Marginall note
hath, remained. 1. Chronicles 17. 16.
descriptionPage 176
Tremellius translateth the word Resti∣tit,
and noteth in the Margent, Con∣sedit
Catachresis. And wee know the
word to bee often taken for Manere,
to remaine: This gesture of Sitting,
neuer commanded and neuer, or very
seldome practised in Gods publike
worship; must bee far more subiect to
the Iudgement of the Church, and
the power that she hath to abrogate
and change Ceremonies (as Caluin
saith) then Kneeling. And yet wee
finde, the Primitiue Church to haue
discharged the vse of Kneeling at
Prayer on the Lords Day, and on e∣uery
day from Pasche till Whit-sun∣day,
and in stead thereof to haue ap∣pointed
Standing. If after this man∣ner
the Church might haue lawfully
interchanged Kneeling, a gesture or∣dained
by God himselfe, with Stan∣ding,
touching the which there is no
precept: How much more may our
Church interchange Sitting, a ge∣sture
neuer cōmanded in any publike
descriptionPage 177
Act of Diuine worship, with Knee∣ling,
a gesture comanded by God,
and most agreeable to this Sacra∣ment
in euery respect, without gi∣uing
of Scandall, either to Pastor or
people?
email
Do you have questions about this content? Need to report a problem?
Please contact us.