A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 8, 2024.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

The case goeth somewhat hardely of M. Hardinges side, when he is thus driuen for wante of other authorities, to craue aide at Luthers hande. Touchinge alteration in religion, whiche it pleaseth him to name lightnes, if he woulde so∣berly remember his owne often chaunges, and the light occasions of the same, he shoulde finde smal cause to condemne others. Certainely D. Luther, after God had once called him to be a minister of his Trueth, neuer lookte backewarde from the plough, nor refused the Grace, yt God had offred him, notwithstandinge he sawe, al the powers of the worlde were against him. His argument is taken of the effectes, or tokens of Goddes wil. The Pope, saide he, is auanced vnto a Monarchie, or Em∣perial state of a Kingedome: But he coulde neuer be so auanced without Goddes wil: Ergo, it was Goddes wil, it shoulde be so.

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Argumentes, that be taken of Goddes permission, or of the tokens of his wil, make no necessary proufe, either that the thinges in them selues be good, or that God is pleased with them.* 1.1 For God suffred Nabucodonozor, Sennacherib, Pharao, and others: and their very estates, & procéedinges were euident tokens of Goddes wil. For if his wil had béene otherwise, they coulde not haue reigned. Yet neither were they good men, nor was God pleased with their dooinges. So shal God suffer An∣tichriste to sitte euen in the holy place. Daniel* 1.2 saithe, Faciet, & prosperabitur. He shal take his pleasure,* 1.3 and shal prosper. And againe, Roborabitur fortitudo eius, & non in viribus suis.* 1.4 His power shalbe confirmed, but not through his owne strength: but through ye strength of God. Yet shal not God therefore loue, or fauour Antichriste, or delite in his wickednes. For S. Paule saith,* 1.5 The Lorde shal kil him with the sprite of his mouth, and shal destroy him with the brightnes, and glorie of his comminge.

Now, for as muche as, it hath pleased M. Harding, for the Conclusion hereof, to touche the Effects of Godes wil, I trust, it shal not be paineful to thée, gentle Rea∣der, likewise shortely to consider the effectes, and sequeles of this Uniuersal power. It is graunted, that the Churche of Rome, for sundrie causes before alleged, was e∣uermore from the beginninge the chiefe, and moste notable aboue al others. Not¦withstandinge Eneas Syluius,* 1.6 beinge him selfe a Bishop of Rome, saith, Ad Ro∣manos pontifices ante Nicenum Concilium, aliquis sanè, & si non magnus, respectus fuit. Verily there was some respecte had to the Bishoppes of Rome before the Councel of Nice, although it were not great. S. Cyprian* 1.7 in his time complained, That Pride, and Am∣bition seemed to lodge in priestes bosomes. Origen in his time complained, that the Ministers of Christe seemed euen then to passe the outrage of worldly Princes.

Yet was the Churche of God in those daies euerywhere, vnder cruel, and vehe∣ment persecution. Therefore to abate this ambitious courrage, order was after∣warde taken in the Councel of Carthage, that no man shoulde be intitled the Highest Bishop, or the Prince of Bishoppes, or by any other like name. The Greeke Bishoppes in the Councel of Antioche,* 1.8 and the Bishoppes of Aphrica, beinge in number twoo hundred and seuentéene, in the Councel there founde them selues greeued with the Pride and Arrogancie of the Sée of Rome. For that Iohn the Bishop of Con∣stantinople tooke vpon him, to be called the Uniuersal Bishop, therefore Gregorie the Bishop of Rome called him Lucifer, and the Messenger of Antichrist: and saide, He had chosen vnto him a proude, and arrogant, a pompous, and a blasphemous name.* 1.9 But after that, by great sute made vnto the Emperour Phocas, the Bi∣shoppes of Rome them selues had once obteined the same title, and had possessed, & enioied the same a longe while, in the ende their pride was suche, that it seemed intolerable.* 1.10 Then they beganne to decrée, and determine, That euery mortal man is bounde, to be subiecte to the Sée of Rome, & that vpon paine of damnation: and that without the Obedience of that Sée, noman is saued: That the Bishop of Rome is an Uniuersal Iudge ouer al men:* 1.11 and that he him selfe may be iudged by noman, neither by Emperour, nor by Kinge, nor by al the Cleregie, nor by the whole people, For that it is written by the Prophets Esaie, The Axe shal not glorie against him, that heweth with it: That what so euer he doo, noman may presume to say vnto him,* 1.12 Domine cur ita facis? Sir, why doo you thus? That he hath al manner Lawe,* 1.13 and Right in Scrinio pectoris sui, in the Closet of his breaste. That al other Bi∣shoppes receiue of his fulnes:a 1.14 That no Councelles can make lawes for the Churche of Rome: and that the Bishop of Romes authoritie is plainely excepted out of al Councelles:b 1.15 That,* 1.16 notwithstandinge the Pope drawe innumerable companies of people after him into Helle, yet no mortal man may dare to reroue him.c 1.17 That the Popes wil, or pleasure standeth as a lawe. In illis, quae vult, est ei pro ratione volūtas: And that there is none other reason to be yéelded of his dooinges, but onely this,

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Quia ipse voluit, For he woulde.d 1.18 For of that, yt is nothinge, he is hable to make some thinge. Quia deeo, quod nihil est, potest facere aliquid:e 1.19 That he hath the right of bothe sweardes, as wel of the Temporal, as of the Spiritual: That the Tem∣poral Prince may not drawe his swearde, but onely at his becke, and sufferance: ad nutum, & Patientiam Ecclesiae:f 1.20 That he is Haeres Imperij, the Heire apparent of the Empier,g 1.21 and is seuen and fiftie degrees greater then the Emperour: and that bicause in suche proportion the Sunne is greater then ye Moone:h 1.22 That it is lawful for him to depose kinges, and Emperours: as he did the Emperoure Henry the sixthe, and Chilpericus the Frenche Kinge.i 1.23k 1.24

Then he made the Emperour of Christendome to lie downe flatte before him, and spared not to sette his foote vpon his necke, addinge withal theise woordes of the prophete Dauid, Thou shalt walke ouer the aspe, and the cockatrise: Then he was contente that the Emperoure should be called Procurator Ecclesiae Romanae, The Pro∣ctoure, or steward of the Churche of Rome:l 1.25 Then, as if had béene Nabucodonozor, or Alexander, or Antiochus, or Domitian, he claimed vnto him selfe the name, and title of almighty God: and said further, That beinge God, he might not be iudged of any Mortal man:m 1.26 Then he suffred menne to saie, Dominus Deus noster Papa, Our Lord God the Pope:n 1.27 Tu es omnia, & super omnia, Thou art al, and aboue al. Al power is geuen vnto thee, as wel in Heauen, as in Earthe. I leaue the miserable spoile of the Empier: the loosinge of sundrie great Countries, and Nations, that sometimes were Christened: the weakeninge of the Faithe: the encourraginge of the Turke: the ignorance, and blindenes of the people. These, & other like, be the effectes of the Popes Uniuersal power. Would to God, he were in deede, that he would so faine be called, & woulde shewe him selfe in his owne particular Churche to be Christes Ui∣care, & theo 1.28 Dispenser of Gods Mysteries. Then shoulde godly men haue lesse cause to cōplaine against him. As nowe, although, that he claimeth, were his very right, yet by his owne iudgement, he is worthy to loose it.p 1.29 For Pope Gregorie saith, Priuilegium meretur amittere, qui abutitur potestate. He that abuseth his authoritie, is wor∣thy to loose his priuilege. And Pope Syluerius saith,q 1.30 Etiam quod habuit, amittat, qui, quod non accepit, vsurpat. He that vsurpeth that he receiued not, let him loose, that he had.

Nowe, briefely to laye abroade the whole contentes of this Article:

[ 1] Firste, M. Hardinge hath wittingly alleged suche testimonies vnder the na∣mes of Anacletus, Athanasius, and other Holy Fathers, as he him selfe knoweth vndoubtedly to be forged, and with manifest Absurdities, and Contradictions, doo betraye them selues, and haue no manner colour, or shewe of trueth.

[ 2] He hath made his claime by certaine Canons of the Councel of Nice, and of the Councel of Chalcedon: and yet he knoweth, that neither there are, nor neuer were any suche Canons to be founde.

[ 3] He hath dismembred, and mangled S. Gregories woordes, and contrary to his owne knowledge, he hath cutte them of in the middest, the better to beguile his Reader.

[ 4] He hath violently, and perforce drawen, and rackte the Olde godly Fathers, Ireneus, Cyprian, Ambrose, Cyrillus, Augustine, Theodoretus, Hierome, and others, contrary to their owne sense, and meaninge.

[ 5] Touchinge appeales to Rome, the gouernement of the East parte of the worlde, Excommunications, Approbations of orders, allowance of Councelles, Restitu∣tions, and Reconciliations, he hath openly misreported the whole Uniuersal order, and practise of the Churche.

[ 6] Al this notwithstandinge, he hath as yet founde neither of these two glorious Titles, that he hath so narrowly sought for: notwithstandinge greate paines ta∣ken, and greate promises, and vauntes made touchinge the same.

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Therefore, to conclude, I must subscribe, and rescribe, euen as before, That albeit M. Hardinge haue trauailed painefully herein, bothe by him self, and also with conference of his frendes: Yet cannot he hitherto finde, neither in the Scrip∣tures, nor in the olde Councelles, nor in any one of al the auncient Catholique Fa∣thers, that the Bishop of Rome within the space of the firste sixe hundred yéeres after Christe, was euer intitled either the Uniuersal Bishop, or the Heade of the Uniuersal Churche.

FINIS.

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