A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

The B. of Sarisburie.

Here might I say,* 1.1 That this Theodor••t was a deadly enimy of S. Cyrillus, and a Nestorian Heretique, and condenmed by that name in the General Councel of Constantinople: as appeareth by Euagrius, Nicephorus, and others. Uerily although he were brought into the Councel of Chalcedon by the authoritie, and fa∣uour of the Emperour Martianus, yet the Byshoppes of Illyricum, Egypte, and Palestine cried out against him,* 1.2 Fides perit: istum Canones eijciunt: Mitte hunc fo••as, magistrum Nestorij: Nolite istum dicere Episcopum: Non est Episcopus: Im∣pugnatorem Dei foras mitte:* 1.3 Haereticum foras mitte: Iudaeum foras mitte. The Faith is loste: this man the Canons throw out: Out with this felow: out with Nestorius Scholemai∣ster: Cal him not Bishop: He is no Bishop: Out with him that fighteth against God: Out with this Heretique: Out with this Iewe.

But I wil not vse this aduantage. I iudge rather, that this Theodoretus, as he was a man of déepe learninge, and great renoume, so he was also a careful, and godly Bishop. As for the Nestorian Heresie, he defied it in the Councel of Con∣stantinople, and openly pronounced,* 1.4 Anathema Nestorio, Accursed be Nestorius.

In these woordes that M. Hardinge hath here alleged, he saith nothing, that of our parte is denied. Certainely, here is not one woorde, neither of the Head of the Churche, nor of Uniuersal Byshop.

But if Theodoretus thinke, S. Paule wente vp to Hierusalem, either to visite Peter, as the Head of the Churche, as M. Hardinge seemeth to gheasse, or els to be better resolued of his Doctrine, as standing in some doubt, whether he had thither∣to preached y^e truthe, or no, then dooth he quite ouerthrow S. Paules whole mea∣ninge. For it is plaine, that S. Paule knoweth not Peter for his Head, but con∣trary wise taketh him as his equal:* 1.5 For thus he saith, Videbant mihi concreditum esse Euangelium praeputij, sicut petro Circuncisionis. They saw, that I was put in truste with the Gospel ouer the Heathens,* 1.6 euen as Peter was ouer the Iewes. And againe, Iames, Peter, and Iohn, that seemed to be the pillers, gaue vnto me, and B••rnabas the right handes of felowship. Here wée sée betweene Peter, and Paule a Couenante of equalitie, and neither superioritie, nor subiection.

And therefore S. Ambrose saith,* 1.7 as it is before noted, Inter Petrum, & Paulum, quis cui praeponatur, incertum est: Between Peter, and Paule, whether ought to be pre••••rred before other, I can not tel.

Neither wente he vp,* 1.8 to be better informed of the Trueth, as beinge doubtful of his owne Doctrine. Al his reasoninge, and the whole drifte of that 〈◊〉〈◊〉is to the contrary.* 1.9 For thus lie his woordes: I neuer 〈◊〉〈◊〉with Fle••she, and Bloud (that is to say, with any man) neither did I returne to Hierusalem to them, 〈◊〉〈◊〉had beene Apo∣stles before me: I receiued not the Gospel, that I haue preached, of any man, but by the reuela∣tion of Iesus Christe. If any preache vnto you any other Gospel, then that I haue preached, ac∣curse•• be he.* 1.10 They that were in chiefe regarde emonge the Apostles, touchinge the Trueth of the Gospel, added nothing vnto mee. I withstoode Peter euen in the face, and spake vnto him before al the people: for he walked not vprightly, but was woorthy to be blamed. Hereby it may sufficiently appeare, that S. Paules goeinge to Hierusalem was, not to bringe from Peter a determination of any mater of Trueth, that la•• in Question; as it is here supposed.* 1.11 And therfore S. Hierome saith, Ad hoc iuit Hierosoly mā. vt videret Apostolum (Petrum) non discendi studio, qui & ipse eundem praedica••o••s ha∣bere•• authorem: sed honoris priori Apostolo deferendi. Paule wente to Hierusalem, to the intent to see Peter the Apostle, not to learne any thinge of him, as hauing the same ••uth••ur of his preachinge that Peter had: ••ut to shew reuerence vnto him, th••t had been Apostle before h••m. And againe,* 1.12 Proptereà quindecim ponit dies, vt ostendat non fuisse grande tempus, quo po••uerit aliquid à Petro discere: vt ad illum sensum, a quo coepit, cuncta referantur, se non ab homine doctum esse, sed a Deo. Therefore he nameth fifteen daies, to shew, th••t he had no longe time, that he might learne any thinge of Peter: to the intente to driue al his woordes to that sense, wherewith he beganne, That he was t••ught, not by man, but by God. Likewise saith Hugo Cardinalis a barbarous writer,* 1.13 Secundum Literam ••strui∣mur de mutua dilectione, quam deberent habere praedicatores, & doctores: quia Paulus venit videre Petrum, quoniam bona audierat de eius doctrina. Accordinge to the l••tter wee are here instructed of mutual loue, whiche ought to be between al preachers and Doctours. For Paule went to visite Peter, bicause he had hearde good of his Doctrine. But what can be so plaine, as that is written by Chrysostome touchinge the same? His woordes be these:* 1.14 Paulus nihil opus habebat Petro, nec eius egebat voce: sed hono••e par erat ill••: nihil enim hîc dicam amplius. Pau••e had no neede of Peter: neither needed he to be taught at his mouthe: but he was equal to him in honour: I wil say no more. And immediatly after, Sicut nunc multi fratrum nostrorū ad viros sanctos proficiscuntur•• ••odem affectu tunc Paulus ad Petrum profectus est. Like as now a daies many of our Brethren goe to holy men, so then with like affection wente Paule vnto Peter.

As for the reast, that the Bishop of Rome had an estimation, and a credite, and a prerogatiue before others, it is not denied. For of the foure Patriarkes he had the first place, bothe in Councel, and out of Councel: and therefore the grea∣test authoritie, & direction of maters in al assemblies. And this was 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, To haue the firste, or highest roume: and 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉, A dign••tie, or priuilege: Whiche woordes M. Hardinge hath noted in the Margin.

Here M. Hardinge séemeth to reason thus, The Bishoppe of Rome had a priuilege or dignitie aboue others:

Ergo, He was an Vniuersal Bishop.

This Argument concludeth A genere ad speciem affirmatiuè: and, as M. Har∣dinge knoweth, was neuer allowed in any Schooles.

Likewise he séemeth to say, Paule wente vp to Hierusalem to visite Peter: Ergo, The Bishop of Rome is Head of the Churche.

Suche weake geare M. Harding hath brought foorthe. And yet with his furni∣ture of woordes, it séemeth somewhat. By the same reason he may prooue, that S.

Iames also was Heade of the Churche,* 1.15 as wel as Peter: for Paule saithe, he visi∣ted him,* 1.16 as wel as Peter. And S. Hierome saithe of 〈◊〉〈◊〉selfe, That he purposely went to Alexandria, to see Didymus: yet was not Didymus therefore Heade of the Churche.

In déede Hugo Cardinalis saithe,* 1.17 Hereof it first began, that Bishoppes, and Arche∣bishops made a vowe to visite the Pope 〈◊〉〈◊〉Paule w••nt to Hierus••lem to see Peter: And saith further, that Custome hath added to the same, this Commandemēt written in the Deu∣teronomie. Non appa••ebis in conspectu Domini vac••••s. Thou shalt not appeare in the presence of the Lorde without some what.

M. Hardinge trippinge, as he saithe, so nicely ouer the Doctours, hath not yet once touched that thinge, that was lookte for, and that ••e hath onely, & with suche affiance taken in hande. For not withstanding•• a great pompe of ••oordes, and the names of many holy Fathers, yet hath he not hith••rto shewed, that the Bi∣shop of Rome within the space of sixe hundred yéeres after Christe, was euer cal∣led the Uniuersal Bishop, or the Heade of the Uniuersal Churche. Whiche thinge if he coulde haue shewed, I beleeue, he woulde not s•• lightly haue tripte it ouer.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Concil. Constan∣tinopol. actio. 5. Euagri li 4. ca. 38.
• * 1.2

  Nicephor. li. 17. Ca. 27.
• * 1.3

  Concil. Chalced Actio. 1.
• * 1.4

  Concil. Constan∣tinopol. Actio. 8.
• * 1.5

  Ad Calat. 2.
• * 1.6

  Dextras dede∣runt 〈◊〉〈◊〉.
• * 1.7

  Ambros. Ser∣mon. 66.
• * 1.8

  Act. 15.
• * 1.9

  Galat▪ ca. 1.
• * 1.10

  Galat. ca. 2.
• * 1.11

  Hieronym. in ••pist. ad Galat. 〈◊〉〈◊〉.
• * 1.12

  Hieronym. ••o∣d••m. loco. ••alat. 2.
• * 1.13

  Hugo Cardina∣li•• in Epist. ad Gala••. Ca. 1.
• * 1.14

  Chrysost. in E∣pist. ad Galat. ca. 2.
• * 1.15

  Galat. Ca. 1.
• * 1.16

  Hieronym. in Prooemio in E∣pist. ad Ephesios Hugo Cardinal. in Epist. ad Ga∣lat.
• * 1.17

  Deuter. 16.