A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 7, 2024.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

These places of S. Augustine may soone be answeared. For here is neither Uniuersal Bishop: nor Head of the Uniuersal Churche: nor superioritie, or domi∣nion ouer al others: nor any other woorde tendinge to that ende. M. Hardinge knoweth,* 1.1 that S. Augustine was present at the Councel of Carthage, and gaue his consente, That the Bishop of the first See, should not be called neither the Prince, or Chiefe of Priestes, nor the Highest Priest, nor by any other like title.

He knoweth also that S. Augustine afterward confirmed the same in a Councel

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holden at Hippo Regius in his owne Diocesse.* 1.2 Likewise he knoweth, that the same S. Augustine Decréed amonge other Bishoppes to the number of.* 1.3 217. in the Councel of Aphrica, that it shoulde not be lawful for any man of those countreis, to seeke for ayde ouer the Seas, and to appeale to the Bishop of Rome: and that whosoeuer so appealed, shoulde stande Excommunicate: and so vtterly condemned that Infinite Dominion, and Uniuersal Power, that so many haue sithence drea∣med of.* 1.4 Againe, writinge vpon the Gospel of S. Iohn he saith, Petrus erat ocu∣lus in Capite, Peter was an eye in the Heade: He saith not, Peter was the Heade. In these woordes appeareth plainely S. Augustines certaine, and vndoubted iudge∣mente touchinge this mater. The reast, that is here brought in, standeth onely vpon M. Hardinges geatheringe.

It is true, that as wel S. Augustine, as also other Godly Fathers, rightly, and wel, in olde times yelded greate reuerence to the See of Rome, bothe for the Antiquitie of the Churche: and for the honour and memorie of S Peter: and for the constancie of the Holie Martyrs, that there had suffred: and also for the puritie of Religion, whiche was preserued there a longe tyme without spotte, and might be a standerde vnto others. But the greatest increase of outwarde estimation in ye worlde vnto that See,* 1.5 was the Imperial Seate, and Presence of the Prince, as no∣tably appeareth by the firste Councel of Constantinople.* 1.6 For these causes S. Au∣gustine saith, The See of Rome had the highest place, and chiefe preeminence aboue others.

Perhaps M. Hardinge wil presse me further with this woorde, Principatus: whiche he expoundeth, The Principalitie. Howbeit, I beleue, he wil not saye, Pin∣cipatus, signifieth an Uniuersal power, or Supreme gouernement: and so his ad∣uauntage of this woorde is not so greate. Uerily Princeps, in the Latine tongue, is often vsed for a man, that for his vertue, or roome, or any singular qualitie, is to be had in estimation aboue others.* 1.7 So Cicero saith, Socrates princeps Philoso∣phorum: Grauitate dicendi princeps Plato:* 1.8 princeps orbis terrarum Pompeius. Like as also Chrysostome saithe,* 1.9 Caput Prophetarum Elias: Elias the Heade of the Prophetes. In these places, Princeps is taken, not for a Prince, or Gouernour, but onely for a man, that for his qualities is to be estéemed aboue the reaste. And in this sense S. Augustine calleth the See of Rome, as it was in his time, Principa∣tum Sedis Apostolicae, and not in respecte of any Supreme gouernement: for that he himselfe in the Councel of Aphrica, as it is alreadie prooued, vtterly denied him. I graunte, as S. Augustine saith, The Bishop of Rome truely, and diligently doo∣inge the parte of a Bishop, he that then woulde haue denied him the chiefe preemi∣nence, for the respectes aboue touched, had béene wicked, or arrogant. But the same Bishop of Rome nowe claiming to him selfe the title of Uniuersal Bishop, as S. Gregorie saithe,* 1.10 Is the Forerenner of Antichriste: and the consenting to the same, as the same Gregorie saithe, Is the renouncinge and forsaking of the faithe.

I coulde further saye, that M. Hardinge in these authorities of S. Augustine hath leafte out, and transposed what he thought good: and so hath shewed no sim∣ple dealinge. In the first place, S. Augustines woordes be these, Episcopus vide∣bat se Romanae Ecclesiae, in qua semper Apostolicae Cathedrae viguit principatus, per Communicatorias literas esse coniunctum: He sawe him selfe by Letters of Confe∣rence to be ioyned with the Churche of Rome,* 1.11 in which Churche the chiefe preeminence of the Apostolique See had euer flourished. S. Augustine saith, The Bishop there was ioy∣ned with the Churche of Rome, not by waye of Obedience, or Subiection, but by Letters of Cōference, wherin is implied an equalitie, or a felowship. And afterwarde in ye same Epistle S. Augustine saith, That Meltiades the Bishop of Rome with certaine other Bishops, hearde the mater betwéen Caecilianus and Donatus A casis nigris, not by any his Uniuersal, or Supreme Power, as M. Harding imagineth, but by

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special Commission from the Emperour. And so was the Bishop of Rome the Em∣perours Delegate: and that, not in any Soueraine Authoritie, but felowlike, and equally ioyned with other Bishops: and, That afterwarde the same cause vpon complainte, and mislikinge of Donatus, was by the Emperour taken out of the Bishop of Romes handes, and by a new Commission was put ouer to the hearing of the Bishop of Arle in Fraunce. But where was then the Bishop of Romes supreme gouernement?

In the seconde place M. Hardinge hath notably falsified,* 1.12 bothe S. Augustines woordes in the Latine,* 1.13 and also his owne Translation in the Englishe. S. Au∣gustines woordes be these,* 1.14 Cōmunis est nobis omnibus, qui fungimur Episcopatus of∣ficio, quamuis ipse in eo praeemineas celsiore fastigio, Specula pastoralis. Which woordes M. Hardinge by wilful deprauation hath altered thus, Celsiore fastigio speculae pa∣storalis: And so hath leafte the Adiectiue, Communis, without a Substantiue, and ye principal Uerbe, Est, without a Nominatiue Case: And, to serue his turne, hath caused S. Augustine to speake false Latine. This place of S. Augustine may be Englished thus, The pastoral Watche Tower is common to vs al, that beare the office of Bishops: albeit thy preeminence is greater, as sittinge in the higher roome. M. Hardinges Translation is thus, Thou thy selfe hast the preeminence ouer al, being in the toppe of the pastoral Tower: Wherein these woordes (Ouer al) are not sounde in S. Augustine, but onely diuised at pleasure by M. Hardinge. In the thirde place, bisides other corruption,* 1.15 he dissembleth the woordes that S. Augustine in the very same place allegeth out of S. Cyprian,* 1.16 very wel seruing to this purpose. The woords be these, Nec Petrus vindicauit sibi aliquid, aut arroganter assumpsit, vt diceret se primatum tenere, & obtemperari sibi a nouellis, & posteris potius debere. Neither did Peter chalenge any thinge, or proudely presume of him selfe, to say, that he had the primacie, and that therefore others as Nouices, and vnderlinges should be obedient vnto him. Al these thinges M. Har∣ding dissembleth, and so to fournishe out his mater, and to smouthe his Reader, he leaueth out, what he listeth.

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