A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 16, 2024.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

Here M. Hardinge, it appeareth, ye beginne to mislike your owne dealinge, that after so many woordes, and so greate a countenaunce of learninge, ye shoulde be founde so nakedly, and so vnsensibly to deceiue the people. And therefore ha∣uinge no manner Authoritie of auncient Councel, or Doctour to allege againste the Englishe tongue in the Churche of Englande, yet leaste in the ende, hauinge saide so muche, ye shoulde seeme to saie nothinge, ye beginne to finde faulte with the order of our Seruice, and without any manner of proufe ye say, there are many thinges therein conteined, contrary to the Catholique Faithe: and so contrary to your owne knowlege, ye mainteine one vntrueth by an other.

You knowe, that we serue God accordinge to his holy woorde, and the order of his Primitiue Churche.* 1.1 For (As Tertullian saithe, the Christian people did in his time) Coimus ad diuinarum Scripturarum commemorationem, si quid praesen∣tium temporum qualitas aut praemonere cogit, aut recognoscere. Certè fidem sanctis vo∣••••bus pascimus, spem erigimus, fiduciam figimus. Wee meete togeather to heare the re∣hearshal of the holy Scriptures, if the state of the present time doo force vs either to forewarne any thinge, or els to cal any thinge to remēbrance. Verily we feede our Faithe with those holy woordes, we confirme our hope, we assure our trust. Wée minister the holy Sacramentes in pure, and reuerent sorte: we Baptize in the name of God the Father, the Sonne, & the Holie Ghost: we receiue the Sacrament of Christes Bodie and Bloude from the Holy Table: we make our humble Confession, and fal to the grounde, and praie

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al togeather, with one harte, and one voice, in sprite, and trueth: and specially wée pray for you, and for suche others, that ye may consider from whence ye are fallen, and repent your selues, and returne to God: wée Excommunicate open of∣fenders: wée receiue againe them that shew them selues penitent: wée instructe our youthe in the Faithe of Christe: wée make collections, and prouide charitably for the poore. Of al these thinges, what one thinge is contrary to the Catho∣lique faithe?* 1.2 O M. Hardinge, it is written, The mouthe that lieth, destroieth the soule:* 1.3 And Christe saithe, The Blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shal neuer be forgeuen, neither in this life, nor in the life to come.

Now, good Christian Reader, for the better contenting of thy minde, I beséeche thée to looke backe, and to consider the whole substance of al, that M. Hardinge hath laide in for proufe of this Article, what weight it beareth, and how wel it ser∣ueth to his purpose. He hath intreated largely of singinge in the Quier, at what time, and where it first beganne: and likewise hath prooued by a greate longe dis∣course of situation of countries, and diuersitie of tongues, that neither al the east parte of the worlde vnderstoode the Gréeke, nor al the people of Aphrica, Mauri∣tania, Spaine, and Fraunce vnderstoode the Latine: whiche labour in this case was nothinge needeful. But that al the Nations of the East parte had their Ser∣uice in the Greeke tongue, and that al the people of Aphrica, Mauritania, Spaine, and Fraunce had their Seruice in the Latine tongue, whiche thinge onely stoode in Question, and therefore was onely to be prooued, he hath hitherto vtterly leaft vnprooued. Touchinge the Publique Seruice within this Ilelande, the storie of Augustine of Rome, and Edda, and Putta, and other Poetes, and singinge men, as I haue shewed, standeth him in smal stéede. Contrary to his owne knowlege he saith, that the fouretéenth Chapter of S. Paule to the Corinthians cannot ne∣cessarily be applied to this purpose: And further he saith, that euen from the Apo∣stles time, the Priest euermore made his Praiers in the Quier, farre of from the hearinge of the people: That the ignorant people vnderstandeth the Latine Tongue, although not in most exacte wise, or perfitely: That they are now better instructed in the Articles of the Faith, then they were in the time of the Apostles: That it is sufficient for them now to be taught by Gestures, and Ceremonies: and that they haue greate profit by hearinge their Seruice, although they know not what they heare. Againe he saith, that the Gréeke, and Latine be learned ton∣gues, and therefore al the Seruice of the Churche throughout the whole worlde, ought to be ministred in one of them: That al the Psalmes, and al other Scriptu∣res are harde, and farre passe the capacitie of the people: That vnderstandinge of the mater causeth the minde to wander: and to be shorte, that praier in the Com∣mon tongue, that euermore bredde Schismes, and Diuisions in the Churche.

He hath openly falsified Strabo, Iustinian, Origen, Chrysostome, and others, and hath forced them to say the thinge, they neuer meante.

This is the whole Summarie of al that he had to say. Hereof he woulde séeme to conclude, that within the first sixe hundred yeeres after Christe, the Common Seruice was ministred openly in a tongue vnknowen vnto the people: Albeit he hath hitherto alleged neitheir Scripture, nor Councel, nor Decrée, nor Doctour, nor Example, or Practise of the Primitiue Churche to prooue the same.

Of the other side,* 1.4 it is sufficiently prooued of our parte, that the fouretienth Chapter to the Corinthians must of necessitie belonge to the vse of Common praiers: and that in the Primitiue Churche, the Seruice was euery where Mi∣nistred in the Uulgare Tongue, and that the Priest and the people praied al togea∣ther: I haue prooued, not onely that the Nations, that vnderstoode Greeke, or Latine, had their Seruice in the Greeke, or Latine tongue, but by Theodoretus,

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Sozomenus, S. Ambrose, and S. Hierome, that the Syrians had their Seruice in the Syrian tongue: by S. Ba••••le, that the Egyptians had their Seruice in the E∣gyptian tongue: The Lybians, the Thbanes, the Palestines, the Arabians, & the Phenicians, eche of them in their owne tongue: by Origen, that al Barbarous people had their Seruice in their seueral Barbarous tongues: by Sulpitius, that the people of France, then called Gallia, had their Seruice in the Frenche tongue. S. Hierome saithe, Vox quidem dissona, sed vna Religio. Tot penè psallentium chori, quot gentium diuersitates. The voice is diuers, but the Religion is alone. There be wel∣neare so many companies of people singinge,* 1.5 as there be diuersities of Nations. To be shorte, I haue prooued by S. Chrysostome, and by Lyra, and others, that there can no manner profit redounde vnto the people, of praiers made in a strange tongue.

Séeinge therefore M. Hardinges Doctrine standeth vpon so simple groundes, as I haue shewed, and serueth onely to mainteine ignorance, and the kingedome of darkenesse, it is now thy parte, gentle Reader, to iudge indifferently betwéene vs, bothe how iustly he hath coloured the same with suche a face of antiquitie, and also how truely, and substantially he hath answeared my assertion.

FINIS.

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