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The Gospellers, whome M. Hardinge so often vpbraideth with that name, as if he him self had no parte in Goddes Gospel, haue litle neede to auoide that thing, whereby they sée them selues nothinge hindred. For the question is moued of the whole Congregation: answeare is made of seueral personnes. Wee speake of the order of Churches: M. Hardinge answeareth of forestes and wildernesse. Uerely if
he coulde finde any thing to purpose in the Churche, he woulde not thus hunte the Mountaines: neither woulde he flee for ayde into Egipte, if he coulde finde any neere at home.
The grounde of this argument is the impossibilitie of keepinge Wine: whiche M. Hardinge hath hitherto vttered by the name of Forme: Now that it is come to sowringe, he calleth it wine. There is conninge in shiftinge of termes. But if there be no Wine there remaininge, as these men woulde perswade the worlde, what shal we cal it then, that thus standeth in danger of soweringe? Certainely, Christes bloude wil not sower: and Formes of Wine without substance cannot sower: either of these bothe can as wel abide the hote countrie, as the colde. But Gelasius saithe, There remaineth in the Sacramentes the Nature and Substance of Breade and Wine.
Of preseruinge Wines in hoate countries, I wil not reason. Not withstan∣dinge,* 1.1 I remember, Macrobius saithe, that as the countrie of Egypte is extreme hoate, so the Wines of the same be extreme colde, and therefore, as it may be sup∣posed, the more durable. And although the Countrie of Naples be very hoate, yet the Wines thereof haue béene preserued, the space of fourtie or fiftie yéeres, as it is mentioned by Plutarche,* 1.2 Athenaeus,* 1.3 and others. How be it this is not muche ma∣terial. But as the Wine is in danger of sowringe, so is the Breade in daunger of mouldinge, as appeareth by sundrie cautels of the Masse therefore prouided. Yet one question woulde wel be here demaunded. If the Wine in the Mountaines of Egypte coulde not be keapte in smal quantities a fewe daies, how then coulde the wine that Christe changed out of water in Cana of Galilie,* 1.4 be keapte at Orleance in Fraunce as a Relique, for the space of fifteene hundred and thirtie yéeres, euer sithence that time vntil this day, & that stil without soweringe? But let vs yéelde, that wine in the Mountaines coulde not be keapte: yet mought it wel be had and keapte in Churches, at the least duringe the time of the Communion: and that to this purpose is sufficient.
The keepinge of liquoure in a linnen clothe, was M. Hardinges conceite, more to solace him selfe with al, then muche makinge to the mater. For otherwise as the wemen receiued the Breade in a clothe, so mighte they receiue the Wine in a Uial, or some other like thinge. And that they so did, it may wel be geathered by the storie of Gorgonia Nanzianzenes sister: by Eruperius,* 1.5 of whome S. Hierome writeth: and by the fable of the Iewe in M. Hardinges owne Amphilochius. And for that M. Hardinge maketh suche sporte with keepinge liquoure in a clothe, it was decreed in the Councel holden at Altisiodorum, that the Prieste shoulde put his oile in a Chrismatorie, and in linnen, by these woordes: vt Chrisma Chrismario, & lin••eo impo∣nant. I doubt not,* 1.6 but M. Hardinge thinketh, a linnen clothe wil holde Wine, as wel as Oile.
Macrobius.
Plutarchus in Lu••ullo.
Athenaeus, li. 1.
Vinum Archi∣••riclini.
Nazian. in Fu∣nere Gorgoniae. Hieronym. ad Rus••••••cum Nar∣bonen.
Concil. Altisio∣doren. Can. 6.