A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

The B. of Sarisburie.

M. Hardinge passeth lightly ouer these Articles folowinge, as beinge onely, as he saithe, certaine vnnecessary Schoole pointes, to be debated priuately emonge the learned, and nothinge perteininge to the simple capacitie of the people. Which thinge may the better appeare, by that he is not hable to auouche any of the same by the Authoritie of any Ancient learned Father.

It is true, that the Doctrine of the Churche touchinge the Sacramente in the Olde time was deliuered simply, and plainely vnto the people. But, M. Har∣ding him selfe wel knoweth, that Doctrine was nothinge like vnto this Doctrine.

S. Augustine taught the people thus,* 1.1 Christus in Coena Figuram Corporis sui commendauit: Christe at his Supper gaue a Figure of his Bodie.

S. Ambrose saithe vnto the people,* 1.2 Post Consecrationem Corpus Christi Signifi∣catur: After Consecration the Bodie of Christe is Signified.

S. Chrysostome saithe vnto the people, Si mortuus Christus non est, cuius Sym∣bolum, ac Signum hoc Sacrificium est?* 1.3 Yf Christe died not, whose Signe, and whose token is this Sacrifice? And to leaue infinite other like Authorities to like purpose, S. Augustine thus taught the people, Non hoc Corpus, quod videtis, manducaturi estis: nec bibituri illum Sanguinem, quem fusuri funt, qui me Crucifigent:* 1.4 Y•• shal not eate (with your bodily mouthes) this Bodie, that you see: nor shal you drinke that Bloude, whiche they shal sheade, that shal Crucifie mee.

And where as Christe saithe, Onles ye 〈◊〉〈◊〉my Fleashe, and D••inke my Bloude, ye shal haue no Life in you, The Olde learned Father Origen therevpon thus taught the people:* 1.5 Si secundum Literam accipias haec verba, illa Literaoccidit: Yf ye take these woordes accordinge to the Letter, this Letter killeth.

And touchinge Christes Bodie it selfe, the Holy Bishop, and Martyr Uigilius taught the people in this sorte:* 1.6 Caro Christi, cùm esset in terra, non erat in Coelo: &

nunc, quia est in Coelo, non est vti{que} in terra: The Fleashe of Christe, when it was in Earth, was not in Heauen: And nowe, bicause it is in Heauen, doutlesse it is not in Earthe.

S. Augustine saide thus vnto the People,* 1.7 The Bodie, wherein Christe rose againe, muste needes be in one place: Corpus, in quo Resurrexit, in vno loco esse oportet.

Cyrillus saide vnto the People,* 1.8 Christus non poterat in Carne versari cum Apostolis, postquam ascēdisset ad Patrem: Christe coulde not be conuersaute togeather with his Disciples in his Fleashe, after he had Ascended vnto his Father.

Touchinge the Eatinge of Christes Bodie,* 1.9 S. Augustine taught the people in this wise: Crede, & manducasti. Credere in Christum, hoc est, manducare Panē Viuum: Beleeue in Christe, and thou hast Eaten Christe. For beleeuinge in Christe,* 1.10 is the Eatinge of the Breade of life.

Likewise againe, Quomodò in Coelum manum mittam,* 1.11 vt ibi sedentem teneam? Fidem mitte, & tenuisti: Thou wilt saie, How shal I reache my hand into Heauen, that I maie holde Christe sittinge there? I answeare thée, Reache vp thy Faithe, and so thou hol∣dest him.

Thus was the People then taught, simply, and plainely: and that not onely in the Schooles, but also openly in the Churche: neither onely in one place, but at Hippo, in Africa: At Constantinople, in Thracia: at Alexandria, in Aegipte: at Mil∣laine, in Italy: and so in al places, and in al Churches throughout the Worlde: and this was then thought to be the Catholique Doctrine of the Sacramentes.

Transubstantiatiō, Real Presence, Concomitantia, Accidentes without Subiectes, Natural Bodies without Natural places, Quantum sine modo Quanti, Holy Fourmes, and Holy Shewes were not yet knowen, nor hearde of.

At the last, as M. Hardinge saithe, there sprange vp certaine strange Hereti∣ques, that saide, that like as the Nature, and Substance of Wa••er remaineth in the Sacramente of Baptisme, euen so the Nature, & Substance of Breade, and Wine remaineth stil in the Sacramente of Christes Bodie. But yf this, accordinge to M. Hardinges iudgemente, be an Heresie, then must al the Olde Fathers, and Doctours of the Churche be condemned for Heretiques.

For Gelasius saithe,* 1.12 There remaineth stil in the Sacramente the Nature, or Substance of Breade, and Wine.

Chrysostome saithe,* 1.13 The Nature of Breade remaineth in the Sacramente, as before.

Theodoretus saithe, The Breade remaineth in his former Nature, and Substance: In priori Natura, & Substantia.

S. Augustine saithe,* 1.14 Quod videtis, Panis est: The thinge, that ye see, is Breade. He saithe not, It seemeth Breade, but it is no Breade: It is onely the Accidente, the Fourme, and the Shewe of Breade: but,* 1.15 Panis est, It is in deede, and Verily Very Breade.

But, I trowe, bothe these, and al other like Anciente learned Fathers, must, by M. Hardinges Decrée be taken for Newe Maisters, and condemned for Heretiques.

This is that knotty greate Blocke, whiche to riue, and rente vp, M. Hardinge hath diuised a ioyly substantial stronge yron wedge made of Accidentes. God know∣eth, a simple, and a Childishe instrument: and yet muche like to y^e rest of his tooles. How be it, God be thanked, the Churche of God was hable to confounde, and to cleaue a sunder al manner Heresies twelue hundred yéeres togeather, without any of these wedges.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Augustin. in Psalm. 3.
• * 1.2

  Ambros. De illis qui initian. My∣ster. Ca. 9.
• * 1.3

  Chrysost. in Mat∣thae. homi .83.
• * 1.4

  Augustin. in Psalm. 98.
• * 1.5

  Origen. in Le∣••tti. homi. 7.
• * 1.6

  Vigilius contra ••••••ychem li. ••.
• * 1.7

  De Con. Dist. 2. Prima.
• * 1.8

  Cyrillus in Io∣han. lib. 11. ca. 3.
• * 1.9

  Augustin. in Io∣han. tracta. 26.
• * 1.10

  De Con. Dist. 2. Vt quid.
• * 1.11

  Augustin. in Io∣han. tracta. 50.
• * 1.12

  Gelasius contrae Eutychem.
• * 1.13

  Chrysostom. ad Caesarium.
• * 1.14

  Theodoretus Dialogo. 1.
• * 1.15

  In Sermon. ad Infantes. Bed•• in. 1. ad Corin. ••••.