A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno. 1565.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 8, 2024.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

So many Untruethes in so litle roome, so constantely to be auouched without blushinge? Where is the Feare of God? Where is the Reuerence of the Reader? Where is shame become? Firste, neither doothe that godly Emperour Iustinian once mention, or touche this Newe Fantasie of M. Hardinges Doctrine: nor did the Gréeke Churche, as it is sufficiently already prooued, euer hitherto consente vnto the same. Wil M. Hardinge make the worlde beléeue, that the people open∣ly in the Churche, gaue their consentes vnto that thing, that they neuer beléeued, but knewe vndoubtedly to be an erroure? Is he hable to allege not one Councel, not one Doctour, not one Father, that euer expounded, Amen, in this sorte? Is the mater so miserable, and so bare, that no honest witnesse wil speake for it? Or muste

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M. Hardinges bare woorde, without Scripture, Councel, Doctoure, or Father, be taken for the Doctrine of the Churche?

The Emperours woordes are plaine, Wee commaunde al the holy Bishoppes, and Priestes,* 1.1 to minister the holy Oblation, and the Sacramente of Baptisme, and other Praiers (not cloasely, or in Silence, as the manner is nowe in the Churche of Rome, but) with a lowde voice, that may be hearde of the Faithe ful people (not, to testifie M. Har∣dinges Transubstantiation, whiche then was not knowen, but) that the hartes of the hearers may thereby bothe the more be humbled to repentance, and also the more be sturred to glorifie God.* 1.2 If the pronouncinge of these twoo Syllables, Amen, bee proufe sufficient to warrant Transubstantiation, then may wee easily finde the same Transubstantiation, not onely in the Sacramente of Christes Bodie, but also in the Sacramente of Baptisme, and in al other Publique praiers. For in euery hereof the people was willed, to say, Amen.

Secondely, M. Hardinge saithe, (and he saithe it alone: for noman euer saide it before him) that the Bishop, and Priest was thus commaunded to speake alowde, leaste the people should happen to preuente the time, and to answeare, Amen, out of season, before the Sacramente wers consecrate. And this muste be taken, as a graue, and a déepe consideration, and meete for the Emperour of the worlde. But, O the vanities of these vaine Menne. For whereunto shoulde the people answeare, Amen, that hearde no parte of the Praier? Or how shoulde they Confirme, that was saide by the Prieste, that knewe not one woorde, what he saide? Certainely it appeareth not, that the Emperour Iustinian doubted so muche the ouer hasty an∣swearinge of the people: but rather thought, that, if the Priestes voice were not hearde, the people shoulde be able to answeare nothinge. For to that ende he alle∣geth these woordes of S. Paule,* 1.3 How shal the vnlearned man asweare, Amen, to thy thankes geuinge? For he knoweth not, what thou saiest.

Last of al, he saithe, This Constitution of the Emperour Iustinian touched onely the Gréeke Churche, and perteined nothinge to the Churche of Rome: ad∣dinge further, That by these Newe Maisters it hath beene, and is otherwise vntruely alleged. Thus muche M. Hardinge onely of him selfe, without any other further Autho∣ritie, either Olde, or Newe. Perhappes he woulde haue vs thinke, accordinge to that Childishe Fable of their forged Donation,* 1.4 that the Emperour Constantinus had geuen ouer the whole Empiere of the Weaste parte of the worlde vnto the Pope, and that therefore Iustinian the Emperour had now nothinge to doo in the Churche of Rome. But Iustinian him selfe, contrary to M. Hardinges Commen∣tarie, commaundeth his Lawes to be taken as general, and to be keapte vniuer∣sally throughout the worlde. For thus he writeth, Visum est, praesentem Legem omni terrarum Orbi ponendam,* 1.5 nullis locorum, vel temporum angustijs coarandam: Wee haue thought it good, that this Lawe shoulde generally concerne the whole worlde, to be restrained by no limites of place, or time. And, makinge an Ordinance for the Churche, he writeth thus,* 1.6 Et hoc, non solùm in Veteri Roma, vel in hac Regia Ciui∣tate, sed & in omni terra, vbicunque Christianorum Nomen colitur▪ obtinere sacimus. And this Lawe we wil to take place, not onely in the Olde Citie of Rome, or in this princely Citie of Constantinople, but also in al the worlde, where the name of Christians is had in Ho∣nour. * 1.7 Like∣wise Eusebius writeth of Constantinus the Emperours Proclamation for the keepinge of the Sunnedaie. Vpon that daye he commaunded, not onely the Greekes, but also al other Nations, that were subiecte to the Empiere of Rome, to reast from bodily labours.* 1.8 And concerninge suche maters, as specially touched the Citie of Constantinople, he writeth thus in the same Lawe, that M. Harding hath her alleged: VVhat so euer thinges namely concerne the Churche of this Princely Citie of Constantino∣ple, wee haue comprised the same in a particulare Lawe specially seruinge to that purpose.* 1.9 Yet

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neuerthelesse, M. Hardinge thinketh it lawful for him to saie, The Emperours minde was not, to extende this Lawe to the Churche of Rome: and wee muste beléeue him vpon his bare woorde, yea although the Emperour him selfe say the contrary.

But to what purpose excepteth M. Harding the Latine Churche in this behalfe? was not S. Ambrose B. of Millaine: Clemens, & Leo Bishoppes of Rome? al three Bishoppes of the Latine Churche? And dooth not M. Hardinge saie,* 1.10 that euery of these thrée pronounced the woordes of Consecration openly, with lowde voice, & not in Silence? And doothe not M. Hardinge further tel vs, It was the Tradition of the Apostles? Wherefore then doothe he so nicely excepte the Churche of Rome? Had the Churche there any special Priuilege to breake the Apostles Traditions, more then others? Certainely, Clemens Alexandrinus saithe, The Traditions of the Apostles, as wel in the Easte Churche, as in the Weaste, were al one, euen as was their Doctrine. Fuit vna omnium Apostolorū, icut Doctrina, ita Traditio. Thus hath M. Hardinge founde by his owne Confession, bothe the Tradition of the A∣postles, and the Ancient Doctours, Ambrose, Clemens, and Leo, and bothe the Churches of God, the Gréeke, and the Latine against him selfe.

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