A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno. 1565.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 15, 2024.

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The B. of Sarisburie.

Here M. Hardinge, for wante of other proufes, presumeth of him selfe, that in Olde times the Praier before Consecration, was pronounced, as he saith, Closely, and in Silence. And that he gheasseth onely by this woorde, Secreta: whiche is a terme peculiar onely to his Massebooke: & in the Olde Catholique Fathers was ne∣uer founde. And yet doothe not the same importe any suche Silence, or Secresie, as M. Hardinge supposeth. For so Gerardus* 1.1 Lorichius writeth of it: Non arbitrandū est, Orationem eam dici Secretam, quasi non liceat Laicis, illam vel nosse, vel audire: Sed quòd iuxtà atque Canon, non cantetur voce altiori: Wee may not thinke, that the Praier is called, Secreta, for that it is not lawful for the Laie people to know it, or to heare it: but onely, for that it is not songe out with loude voice, as is the Canon. Therefore M. Hardinge con∣cludeth this mater with twoo vntruethes bothe togeather.

Thus, notwithstanding this newe dūme Ceremonie haue béene onely receiued in the Churche of Rome, & no where els, and that onely for a time, and not from the beginninge, and therefore mere particulare, and no way Uniuersal, and so not Catholique: Notwithstandinge also it be vtterly voide of any shewe, either of the Scriptures, or of the Olde Councelles, or Ancient Fathers, or of any manner An∣tiquitie, Yet M. Hardinge thinketh him selfe wel hable, to mainteine it as he dooth the rest, against S. Ambrose, against S. Augustine, against S. Chrysostome, a∣gainst Leo, against his owne Clemens, against the whole Primitiue Church, both Gréeke, and Latine, and against the Decrées, and Traditions of the Apostles, and against his owne knowledge, and, I feare me, also against his owne Conscience.

FINIS.

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