A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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First, this Authoritie here alleged, is not to be found, neither in S. Augustine, in whose name it is brought, nor in the sentences of Prosper. As for Gratian, M. Hardinge knoweth, he is a Common Falsifier of the Doctours, and therefore his credit in suche cases cannot be greate. Notwithstandinge touchinge the mater, we knowe, that Breade, Wine, and Water, of them selfe be nothinge els, but cor∣ruptible, and simple Creatures. If we conceiue none otherwise of them, then they be of them selfe, then al our Sacramentes be in vaine. Therefore the godly Fa∣thers labour euermore, to drawe vs from the outwarde visible Creatures, to the meaninge & substance of the Sacramentes.* 1.1 And to that ende S. Augustine saithe, In Sacramentis videndum est, non, quid sint, sed, quid Significent. In Sacramentes we muste consider, not, what they be in deede, but, what they Signifie. So it is written in the Coun∣cel of Nice.* 1.2 Vides Aquam? Cogita Diuinam Vim quae in Aqua late••. Seest thou the Wa∣ter of Baptisme? (it is not that, it was before) consider thou that Heauenly Power, that li∣eth hidden in the Water. So Chrysostome saith, Antequam Sanctificetur Panis, panem nominamus: Diuina autem Sanctificante illum Gratia, mediante sacerdote, liberatus est quidem ab appellatione Panis: dignus autem habitus est Dominici Corporis appellatione: etiamsi Natura Panis in illo rema••serit. The Breade before it is Sanctified, is called Breade: but beinge sanctified by the Heauenly Grace, by meane of the Prieste, it is deliuered from the name of Breade, and thought woorthie of the name of the Lordes Bodie: notwithstanding the Nature of Breade remaine in it stil. Thus, as Chrysostome saith, The Breade remai∣neth stil Breade, in his former Kinde & Substance: without any suche Transsub∣stantiation, or change of nature, as is nowe imagined. The woordes be plaine: M. Hardinge cannot denie them. And yet notwithstandinge, it is not the thinge, it was before: bicause it is also called the Lordes Bodie. So likewise saithe S. Au∣gustine, Quicunque in Manna Christum intellexerunt,* 1.3 eundem, quem nos,* 1.4 Spiritualem Cibum Manducarunt. As many,* 1.5 as in Manna vnderstood Christe, they did eate the same Spiritual Meate, that we Eate (that is, y^e very Bodie of Christe.) And so vnto them Man∣na was Christes Bodie, and not the same thinge, it was before. And for better Declaration hereof, Bertramus saithe, Christus vt nunc Panem conuertit in Corpus suum, ita tum Manna de Coelo datum, suum Corpus Inuisibiliter operatus est. Christe, as he now turneth the Breade into his Bodie, euen so then in like sorte the Manna, that fel from Heauen, Inuisibly he made his Bodie. Thus, as the Breade is Christes Bodie, euen so was Manna Christes Bodie: and that Inuisibly, and by the Omnipotent Power of God. Thus are the Elementes of Manna, of the Breade, of the Wine, and of the Water, changed, and are not as they were before: and therefore in euery of the same we Honour the Bodie of Christe Inuisible, not as Really, and Fleashe∣ly Present, but as beinge in Heauen. This whole mater, and the causes thereof, S. Augustine seemeth to open in this wise,* 1.6 Signacula quidem rerum Diuinarum esse Visibilia &c. Let the newe Christened man be taught, that Sacramentes be Visible Signes of Heauenly thinges, and that the thinges them selfe, that he seethe not, must be Honoured in them, and that the same Kinde, and Element (Breade, Wine, or Water) is not so to be taken, as it is in daiely vse. Let him also be taught, what the Woordes meane, that he hath hearde: and what is hidden (and to be beleued) in Christe, whose Image, or Likenesse that thinge (that is, that Sacramente) beareth. He addeth further, Deinde monendus est ex hac occasione, vt, si quid etiam in Scripturis audiat, quod Carnaliter sonet, etiamsi non intelligat, credat tamen Spirituale aliquid Significari: Moreouer vpon occasion hereof he must be taught, that, if he heare any thinge euen in the Scriptures, that sounde Carnally, yet ••e thinke, there is some Spiritual thinge meante by it.