A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.

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A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno. 1565.
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Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Answere to Maister Juelles chalenge.
Catholic Church -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Catholic Church -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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"A replie vnto M. Hardinges ansvveare by perusinge whereof the discrete, and diligent reader may easily see, the weake, and vnstable groundes of the Romaine religion, whiche of late hath beene accompted Catholique. By Iohn Iewel Bishoppe of Sarisburie." In the digital collection Early English Books Online. https://name.umdl.umich.edu/A04474.0001.001. University of Michigan Library Digital Collections. Accessed June 15, 2024.

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M. Hardinge. The .II. Diuision.

But because M. Iuel, and they of that secte, seeme to sette litle by these Fathers, though very Aun∣cient, S. Bernarde excepted, and of the Churche holden for Sainctes, I wil bringe foorthe the Autho∣ritie of Martin Bucer, a late Doctour of their syde, though not Canonizate for a Sainte as yet▪ for that I knowe. This newe Father, whom they esteeme so muche, and was the Reader of Diuinitie in Cambridge in kinge Edwardes time, very vehemently, and for so muche truely, affirmeth the true Real presence of Christes Bodie in the Sacramente. For he saith, Christe saide not, This is my spi∣rite, This is my Vertue: But this is my Bodie. VVherefore we must beleeue (saith he) Christes Bodie to be there, euen the same that did hange vpon the Crosse, our Lorde himselfe. VVhiche in some parte to declare,* 1.1 he vseth the similitude of the sunne for his purpose, cōtrary to M. Iuelles Negatiue, to proue Christes Bodie present, and that Really, and Substantially, in what places so euer the Sacramente is rightly Ministred.* 1.2 His woordes be these. Vt sol verè vno in loco Coeli visibilis circumscrip∣tus est, radijs tamen suis praesens Verè & Substantialiter exhibetur vbilibet Orbis: Ita Do∣minus, etiam si circumscribatur vno loco Coeli arcani, & Diuini, id est, Gloriae Patris, Ver∣bo tamen suo, & Sacris Symbolis, verè, & totus ipse Deus, & homo praesens exhibetur in Sacra Coena, eó{que} substantialiter, quam praesentiam non minus certò agnoscit mens cre∣dens Verbis his Domini, & Symbolis, quàm oculi vident, & habent Solem praesentem de∣monstratum, & exhibitum sua corporali luce. Res ista arcana est, & Noui Testamenti, res Fidei: non sunt igitur huc admittendae cogitationes de praesentatione Corporis, quae con∣stat ratione huius vitae▪ etiam paibilis, & fluxae. Verbo Domini simpliciter inhaerendum est, & debet Fides sensuum defectui praebere supplemētum. VVhiche maie thus be Englisshed. As the Sunne is truely placed determinately in one place of the visible heauen, and yet is exhibited truely, and substantially by his beames euerywhere abroade in the worlde: So our Lorde, although he be conteined in one place of the Secrete and Diuine Heauen, that is to witte, the Glorie of his Fa∣ther, yet for al that, by his VVoorde, and holy Tokens, he is exhibited present in his holie Supper truely, and him self whole, God, and Man, and therefore Substantially, or in Substance. VVhiche pre∣sence the minde geuinge credite to these our Lordes wordes and tokens, doth no lesse certainely ac∣knowledge, then our eyes see, and haue the Sunne present shewed and exhibited with his Corporal light. This is a secrete mater, and of the Newe Testamenta mater of Faith: therfore herein thoughtes be not to be admitted of suche a presentation of the Bodie, as consisteth in the maner of this life pas∣sible, and transitorie. VVe must simply cleae to the worde of our Lorde, and where our senses faile, there must Faith helpe to supplie. Thus we see, howe Bucer in sundrie other pointes of Faith both deceiued, and also a deceiuour, confirmeth the trueth of this article pithily, and plainely. Suche is the force of trueth, that oftentimes it is confessed by the verie enemies of trueth.

Fight not with the Churche M. Iuel, but fight with the enemie of the Churche. Fight with him, Whome you haue folowed in departinge from the Churche, who neuerthelesse by force of trueth, is driuen against you to confesse the trueth in those most plaine wordes, Verè & rotus ipse Deus & homo praesens exhibetur in Sacra Coena, ó{que} Substantialiter. In this holie Supper him self▪God, and man is exhibited present truely, and whole, and therefore Substantially.

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