A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

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A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno 1567. 27. Octobris.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Apologia Ecclesiæ Anglicanæ -- Early works to 1800.
Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Confutation of a booke intituled An apologie of the Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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The Apologie, Cap. 12. Diuision. 3.

More ouer, when the People commeth to the holy Communion, the Sacrament ought to be geuē them in Bothe Kindes: for so bothe Christe hath commaunded, and the Apostles in euery place haue or∣deined, and al the Ancient Fathers and Catholique Bishoppes haue folowed the same. And who so doothe contrarie to this, he (as Ge∣lasius saithe)* 1.1 committeth Sacrilege. And therefore wee saie, that our Aduersaries at this daie, who hauinge violently thruste out, and quite forebidden the Holy Communion, doo without the woorde of God, without the Authoritie of any Ancient Councel, without any Catholique Father, without any Exāple of the Primitiue Churche, yea and without reason also, defende, and maineteine their Priuate Masses, and the manglinge of the Sacramentes, and doo this not onely against the plaine expresse Commaundemente of Christe, but al∣so againste al Antiquitie, doo wickedly therein, & are very Churche∣robbers.

M. Hardinge.

Softe, and fayre, Maisters. Ye shewe more heate then witte, more stomake then learninge, more anger then reason. Ye saie muche, and prooue little. But saie ye, and saie againe, what ye wil: we tel you boldely,* 1.2 that* 1.3 neither Christe euer commaunded, * nor the Apostles ordeined, * nor al the An∣cient Fathers obserued, that the Sacrament be geuen to the people none otherwise, but vnder bothe Kindes onely. If Christe had expressely commaunded it, the Churche (of Rome) had not so longe time receiued, and kepte the vse of one Kinde. The Apostles, and sundry Holy Fathers Ministred bothe Kindes: we confesse. That the one Kinde was not also by them Ministred, and that it is vtterly vn∣lawful, we denie,† 1.4 and the same shal ye neuer be able to proue. Touchinge this whole pointe, and how litle, that ye alleage out of Celasius, maketh for you, and concerninge Masse not to be omitted for lacke of Companie, to communicate Sacramentally with the Prieste:* 1.5 I haue saide yuongh in my answeare to your fellowe M. Iuel his chalenge. Bringe ye other stuffe, and better then this, or els al the worlde wil see your haltinge, and the feblenesse of your side.* 1.6 That we haue violently thruste out, and quite forbidden the Holy Communion, onlesse ye meane your owne Schismaticall, mutable, and polluted Communion, if there were any sparke of shame, or harted of liynge in you, ye woulde neuer impute it vnto vs. God dothe knowe, and the Worlde is not vnwittinge,‡ 1.7 how muche, howe often, and how earnestly the Catholike Churche exhorteth her Children to prepare themselues, to re∣ceiue their* 1.8 Maker. And though the people of Englande of late yeeres resorted not commonly there∣to, yet the deuotion of Christen folke in this Countrie of base Almaigne, in Fraunce, in Italy, in Spaine, and in sundrie other Christen Prouinces, is so feruent in frequentinge the Holy Communion, as if ye sawe it, ye would be ashamed of your sclaunderous reporte. Let wise men, and good men iudge, whether we be Churcherobbers, or ye vnshamefaste liers.

The B. of Sarisburie.

Where nothinge is answeared, it were not amisse, to replie nothinge. If M. Hardinge can onely vouchesaue, to calle vs sclaundrous Reporters, vnshame∣fast

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Liers:* 1.9 and the Lordes Supper a Schismatical, Mutable, pollutted Commu∣nion, it is sufficient: the mater needeth no farther proufe. To this whole matter, M. Hardinge saithe, He hath sufficiently answeared M. Iewel. He hath answeared, I graunte: but how sufficiently, the mater it selfe wil declare. How be it, he maie not in any wise forgeate, that in the same twoo shorte Treaties to M. Jewel, con∣teininge onely twoo and fourtie litle leaues of Paper, he hath sente vs ouer, and published threescore and foure notable, and greate Vntruthes: whereof, I thinke, he hath no greate cause so mutche to glorie.

He saithe, That the Sacramente shoulde be deliuered to the peple in bothe kindes, neither Christe euer commaunded it, nor the Apostles euer ordeined it. Thus M. Hardinge saithe, onely bicause it liketh him thus to saie. Yet this owne Catholique Doctours, & the Chiefe Champions of that side saie far otherwise.* 1.10 Gerardius Lorichius saithe, Ipsius Sacramenti Institutio vult, vt Omnes vnà manducemus, & bibamus: The very Institution of the Sacramente it selfe willeth, that vvee Eate, and Drinke al to∣geather. And Ruardus Tapper the Deane of Louaine saithe thus:* 1.11 Habito re∣spectu ad Sacramentum, eius{que} perfectionem, magis conueniret, sub Vtra{que} specie fieri Communionem, quàm sub Altera tantùm. Hoc enim magis consonum est eius Insti∣tutioni, & integritati, & refectioni Corporali: imò & Exemplo Christi, & Patrum Pri∣mitiuae Ecclesiae: Consideration had vnto the Sacramente, and to the perfection of the same, it were more conuenient, that the Communion were Ministred vnder Bothe Kindes, then vnder One alone. For this were more agreable to the Institution, and fulnesse thereof, and to the outwarde refection of the Body: Yea and to the Example bothe of Christe, and also of the Fathers of the Primitiue Churche.

Certainely these woordes of Christe, Drinke ye al of this: Doo this in my Remembrance, are very plaine woordes of commaundemente, and Institution. Therefore Chrysostome saithe, Et in Pane,* 1.12 & in Calice Christus dixit, Hoc facite in meam Commemorationem: Christe bothe in the Breade, and also in the Cuppe saide, Doo this in Remembrance of mee. Likewise Theophylactus, Tremendus Calix pari cunctis conditione traditus est:* 1.13 The Reuerende Cuppe is in e∣qual manner deliuered to al. And, whereas Christe saithe, Drinke ye al of this, Paschasius, to make the mater the plainer, putteth thereto these woordes: Tam Mi∣nistri, quàm reliqui Credentes: As wel the Ministers, as the reste of the Faitheful. In like manner S. Augustine saithe,* 1.14 Simul hoc sumimus: simul bibimus: quia si∣mul viuimus: VVee receiue togeather: VVee drinke togeather: bicause we liue togeather.

Notwithstandinge any Promisse of Constancie, made to the contrarie, yet, I truste, M. Hardinge of his courtesie wil beleeue, either S. Chrysostome, or S. Augustine, or Theophylacte, or Paschasius, or Lorichius, or Tapper, or his Nevve Doctours, or the Olde, or his owne, or others. Otherwise, if he be fully determined to beleeue noman, it is reason, that noman beleeue him.

Perhaps he wil saie, Notwithstandinge Christes woordes be plaine, yet they are not of force sufficient, to binde vs for euer. For so writeth Cardinal Cusanus, Scripturae ad tempus adaptantur,* 1.15 & variè intelliguntur: ita vt vno tempore se∣cundum currentem Ecclesiae ritum exponantur: mutato verà ritu, iterum sententia mute∣tur: The Scriptures are applied to the states of diuers times, and so are taken in diuers senses: So that at one time they are expounded accordinge to the currente order of the Churche: But the order of the Churche beinge changed, the sense of the Scripture is like wise changed. So S. Augustine saithe of the Heretiques the Manichees: Ex∣pendunt ista,* 1.16 non in statera aequa Diuinarum Scripturarum, sed in statera dolosa Con∣suetudinum suarum: They weighe these maters, not in the equal balance of the Diuine Scriptures, but in ye deceiteful Balance of their ovvne Customes. Of ye like sorte of He∣rtiques S. Hilarie saith, Qui ea, quae Scripta sunt, negas, quid testat, nisi vt ea, quae non

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scripta sunt, credas? Seeinge thou deniest the thinges, that be written in the Scriptures, what remaineth there, but that thou must beleeue sutche thinges, as be not written in the Scriptures?

But where haue these menne the Institution of theire Halfe Communion? Who ordeined it? Who commaunded it? What Apostle, what Ancient Doctour, what Holy Father euer vsed it?* 1.17 M. Hardinge him selfe is forced to confesse, by the reporte of Leo, that the Firste knowen Diuisers, & Authours of it, were the olde Heretiques called the Manichees. Sutche is the Institution, and Antiquitie of their Doctrine. It sprange firste of Heresie, and was founded by Heretiques.

Touchinge Gelasius, I haue already in my Former Replie saide so mutche, as then vnto me seemed sufficient. The woordes be plaine yenough of them selfe, and neede no Commentarie:* 1.18 Aut integra Sacramenta percipiant, aut ab integris acean∣tur. Quia diuisio vnius eiusdem{que} Mysterij sine grandi sacrilegio non potest peruenire: Either let them receiue the vvhole Sacramentes (in Bothe Kindes:) or els let them be driuen from the vvhole.

Farther M. Hardinge saithe, God doothe knowe, how mutche, howe often, and how ear∣nestly the Catholique Churche exhorteth her Children, to prepare them selues to receiue their Maker. O M. Hardinge, why should you so fondely mocke ye world with so manifest folies? By what woordes, by what examples exhorte you them? When euer saide you, as Chrysostome saith vnto the people?* 1.19 Departe yée hence: yée haue nomore right to stāde here, then Heathens, & Infidelles: yée are VVicked: ye are shamelesse: ye are Impudente, that stande by, & wil not Communicate. And if ye Catholique Churche doo so often, & so earnestly exhorte her Children, how is it then, that y Pope, & his Cardinalles doo so seldome Communicate, scarcely once through the yéere? Maie wée thinke, that the Pope, & his Cardinalles be not the Children of the Churche?

Laste of al, ye saie, ye exhorte the people to receiue their Maker I beseche you, M. Hardinge, what Scripture, what Father, what Doctour euer taught you thus to saie? The Sacramente is a Sacramente: it is not God. It is the Breade of our Lorde,* 1.20 as S. Augustine saithe: it is not our Lorde. It is a Creature corruptible: it is not the Maker of Heauen, and Earthe. Accursed is he, that geueth the name, and glorie of God vnto a Creature, that is no God. S. Chrysostome saithe, No∣limus quaeso Creatorem cum Creatura confundere: Ne illud audiamus, Seruierunt Crea∣turae potiùs, quàm Creatori: Let vs not confounde the Creature, and the Creatour bothe to∣geather: Leste it be saide of vs, They haue honoured a Creature more then their Maker.

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